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- Existential Angst
July 18, 2012, 1:08 pm
Awl --
Amazingly, despite being a confirmed pyooter ilitirit, there are some people
who know less than I do.
Lately, I've been looking like a bona fide pyooter maven amongst these
ilitirati, with the likes of Malwarebytes, AVG, WiseCleaner 365, etc. Oh,
all free. :)
But just recently, on
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows-malicious-software-removal-tool-vs/29d68e24-9ce2-4554-bcb9-bb8ccc07cb2d
I read this reply:
----------
P.S. If your security suite comes with a Registry Cleaner, Booster,
Optimizer, Enhancer, or whatever it may call itself, please either don't
install that part or at least don't use it. Such products are poison to
your system. None (I mean absolutely none of all the products available out
there that are actually legitimate) are truly worthwhile and will never go
near any of my computers or the computers of my clients. Microsoft once
offered a product that included such a feature, but removed it and no longer
offer anything like it because even THEY couldn't get it to work properly
(and THEY had access to the actual OS code itself which nobody else does).
The "best" at most do very little. Some can do a great deal of harm to the
point of needing a clean install of the Operating system. The benefits just
aren't worth the risks. You'll find all experts here in agreement on that.
Windows does a fine job of managing the registry on its own and doesn't need
help. If you value your computer and your registry, you'll follow this
advice. But it's your computer and the decision is yours.
-------------------------------------------
Now, I"ve been feeling like a jet fighter pilot with WiseCleaner, which can
take *giga*bytes off the pyooter, and does a disk optimization (after a
defrag), which appears to cut some scan times by a factor of TEN. But the
above fellow seems to wary of all the registry and other cleanup stuff.
Wisecleaner also has this neat ditty, a boot booster/meter, which times your
boot time, and gives you options to speed it up. Seems tho, that any
antivirus seems to double boot time.
But regarding cleanups, if you go to Accessories, even MS has a disk cleanup
utility, in addition to their defrag, so not all cleanups are risky,
apparently.
So what's the consensus here? To clean/defrag registries etc or not??
Btw, Malwarebytes, in the above link, IS highly regarded, but strangely
enough, after running successfully on a number of computers (and helping
GREATLY with hijackings etc), is now causing one pyooter to crash.... after
working fine on that computer... WTF???
It is finding, early in the scan, 20 malware infections (of the PUP kind),
then locks up.
I ran the MS malware removal tool, but it found nothing.
Any other free stuff like malwarebytes that people here like?
What's also interesting is that reviews of a given product are all over the
map.... it's hard tell, from websearches, who knows what the real story is,
and who is making shit up. PC Mag routines has high ratings for products
that readers dislike, and vice versa. Strange....
--
EA
Amazingly, despite being a confirmed pyooter ilitirit, there are some people
who know less than I do.
Lately, I've been looking like a bona fide pyooter maven amongst these
ilitirati, with the likes of Malwarebytes, AVG, WiseCleaner 365, etc. Oh,
all free. :)
But just recently, on
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows-malicious-software-removal-tool-vs/29d68e24-9ce2-4554-bcb9-bb8ccc07cb2d
I read this reply:
----------
P.S. If your security suite comes with a Registry Cleaner, Booster,
Optimizer, Enhancer, or whatever it may call itself, please either don't
install that part or at least don't use it. Such products are poison to
your system. None (I mean absolutely none of all the products available out
there that are actually legitimate) are truly worthwhile and will never go
near any of my computers or the computers of my clients. Microsoft once
offered a product that included such a feature, but removed it and no longer
offer anything like it because even THEY couldn't get it to work properly
(and THEY had access to the actual OS code itself which nobody else does).
The "best" at most do very little. Some can do a great deal of harm to the
point of needing a clean install of the Operating system. The benefits just
aren't worth the risks. You'll find all experts here in agreement on that.
Windows does a fine job of managing the registry on its own and doesn't need
help. If you value your computer and your registry, you'll follow this
advice. But it's your computer and the decision is yours.
-------------------------------------------
Now, I"ve been feeling like a jet fighter pilot with WiseCleaner, which can
take *giga*bytes off the pyooter, and does a disk optimization (after a
defrag), which appears to cut some scan times by a factor of TEN. But the
above fellow seems to wary of all the registry and other cleanup stuff.
Wisecleaner also has this neat ditty, a boot booster/meter, which times your
boot time, and gives you options to speed it up. Seems tho, that any
antivirus seems to double boot time.
But regarding cleanups, if you go to Accessories, even MS has a disk cleanup
utility, in addition to their defrag, so not all cleanups are risky,
apparently.
So what's the consensus here? To clean/defrag registries etc or not??
Btw, Malwarebytes, in the above link, IS highly regarded, but strangely
enough, after running successfully on a number of computers (and helping
GREATLY with hijackings etc), is now causing one pyooter to crash.... after
working fine on that computer... WTF???
It is finding, early in the scan, 20 malware infections (of the PUP kind),
then locks up.
I ran the MS malware removal tool, but it found nothing.
Any other free stuff like malwarebytes that people here like?
What's also interesting is that reviews of a given product are all over the
map.... it's hard tell, from websearches, who knows what the real story is,
and who is making shit up. PC Mag routines has high ratings for products
that readers dislike, and vice versa. Strange....
--
EA
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
Advanced System Care is nice for identifying possible problems but I
don't offend the Holy Registry without several other concurring
opinions, and a bootable DVD backup of C:.
http://download.cnet.com/Advanced-SystemCare/3000-2086_4-10407614.html
The Acronis C: backup has had most apps removed to make it fit one
DVD. There isn't much a virus can do to a DVD in a read-only CD drive,
that boots to a RAM image and wipes and overwrites the hard drive and
boot sector. Once it has loaded and booted you can restore the latest
full-sized backup from a USB drive.
So far this registry change seems OK:
http://winhlp.com/node/10
The Samsung IDE laptop hard drive that caused the problem was only a
year old. I have a collection of used drives dating back to 2004 that
throw intermittent errors, and my secondary module bay (CD etc) hard
drive can trigger PIO mode when it's plugged in hot and being
recognized as it spins up.
jsw
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows-malicious-software-removal-tool-vs/29d68e24-9ce2-4554-bcb9-bb8ccc07cb2d
I
With a fresh w7 ultimate install and wisecleaner I can get comfortable down
to 10-11 gig without losing anything important. Great for a digital drive
install.
which can
Windows has an advanced clean command in windows 7.
run as administrator.
that actually works good.
i run eusing reg cleaner whenever i uninstall something large or just once
in a while. keeps the system snappy over time.
once you have a rootkit your done.
A really good thing to do once is defrag the pagefile in windows xp.
takes a few seconds once at bootup, and its done unless you change the size.
the proggy is called pagefrag or something like that.
I found a really big boost from turning off the parking of the multiple
cores in windows 7. My temp went up 3-4 degrees max, but it really woke
things up.
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
[...]
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows -
malicious-software-removal-tool-vs/29d68e24-9ce2-4554-bcb9-bb8ccc07cb2d
[legitimate criticism of registry cleaners snipped]
It's not doing that by "cleaning" the registry.
That also is unrelated to the registry.
With good reason, I might add.
Correct. There's never any harm in deleting unused, unneeded files. Messing
around with
the Windows registry is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Clean up and defrag your *hard drive*, yes.
So-called "registry cleaners", no.
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows -
Gee , I guess I better quit using Advanced Registry Optimizer then ...
I've used this program for several years with no bad effects .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
Snag wrote:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows -
I use Revo Uninstaller to remove programs and clean all traces of
them from the registry. I have also edited the registy of dozens if not
more than 100 by hand with regedit.
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
I'm pretty sure if anything bad was going to happen it woukd have by now .
I've been using this software for SEVERAL YEARS on several diffferent
machines <but only installed on one at any given time due to licensing
restrictions> and it's only done good things for me .
You're stupid , ugly , and your momma dresses you funny . I'm surprised
she still lets you use her computer considering your obvious lack of
computer literacy .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
That kind of crap is designed to part fools with their $$.
Computers are a lot like politics.
Way too complicated for most people, but they try to dumb it all down to
their level, and claim competence.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the
known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows-malicious-software-removal-tool-vs/29d68e24-9ce2-4554-bcb9-bb8ccc07cb2d
Basic problem with the registry is that application developers put all
kinds of stuff that their apps need into the registry and don't bother
to tell anybody. So a registry cleaner may pull out something essential
and all of a sudden you're getting flaky operation and don't know why.
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
people
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/windows-malicious-software-removal-tool-vs/29d68e24-9ce2-4554-bcb9-bb8ccc07cb2d
out
longer
just
need
your
cleanup
after
is,
per-case basis...
If it's one app.
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
I simply avoid them. It's not hard if you're aware of how they work and how
they are propagated, and know how to set up a browser properly.
If someone like you brings me a computer that's chock full of them, I have
tools to clean them out with. Usually, a custom build of Hiren's Boot CD.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the
known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
Long ago when I was young, had time and had older versions of Windows I use=
d to compact the registry in DOS mode by exporting a recreating it.
It did help with speed, the registry files Windows uses grows big due to ol=
d records being marked as deleted and not removed from it.
There are tools to compact it, cannot give names at the moment, and it woul=
d help to do that.
If you do a fresh install and want to be able to revert to it the best tool=
for it is Clonezilla, it backs up the whole hard disk and it works from an=
USB memory stick so no Windows software required. It goes without saying b=
ack up your data before restoring.
Not very user friendly but if you have the patience to read and follow clea=
r instructions you will be fine ;)
DanP
Re: Slightly OT: Computer optimizers??
I run Linux, and don't have any need for these virus removers,
registry cleaners, etc. In fact, one of the big problems with
Windows is that it rewrites the registry EVERY time you shut
down! This is a HUGE, and critical file, and if it gets damaged,
the system likely will not boot completely. What serves as
a registry in Linux is distributed over many files, and these
are written ONLY when a software update or install is performed.
My web server, mail server, etc. machine has been up 140 days
straight.
Well, it works for me.
Jon
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