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2nd Harmonic Grade test module
- 11-27-2006
November 27, 2006, 4:19 pm
I need some help identifying something I bought at an auction. In with
a bunch of older Modicon PLC modules, I found four new modules that are
made for a rack and "2nd Harmonic Grade" is printed on the front.
There is a 10vDC meter, on/off switch, "ACPT" LED, "REJ" LED,
J1 jack, J2 jack, gnd jack, and a Knobpot Bourns "Level" adjustment
knob with an adjustable clock type setting under the top of the knob.
The circuit board is marked with the number 0039-8416-9-006-01. This
did not come up as a NSN. However, this is at least 15 years old so it
could be obsolete. The circuit board has a logo that looks like a
backward "K" joined to a lower case "b". Other than the
electronic component labels, there are no other markings or name
brands. It has 22 wide contacts in back of which 17 are in use. The
contacts are side by side on a part of the circuit board for a blade (?
term) contact. Here is a link to some pictures of this module.
http://www.ardnet.com/3sands/2ndHarmonic.htm
I am not trying to sell them here, but I would like to know enough
about this to put it on eBay for a little extra Christmas money. I
have found out what the 2nd harmonic is and I am guessing that this
will test certain electric or electronic devices. I don't know what
it is called or what it tests. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
A website for the product would make me your friend forever. Thanks in
advance for any info you can provide.
John Sands
John@ardnet.com
Re: 2nd Harmonic Grade test module
john wrote:
Is there a company name? can you put up a picture somewhere.
(alt.binaries or picture-hosting web sites.)
Jerry
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Re: 2nd Harmonic Grade test module
john wrote:
I can't see the circuit board distinctly, but sometimes there's a name
etched into it. This appears to be low-volume production, probably from
a custom instrument.
Jerry
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Re: 2nd Harmonic Grade test module
proclaimed to the world:
From what I saw, I would guess this is a one-off board someone made
for testing the second harmonic levels in a transformer manufacturing
facility. I saw two plugs, a go/no go indicator, a trip setting (pot)
and a meter. When transformers are designed, the geometry dictates
what the ratio of primary to secondary inrush current will be. Any
defects in the windings can be detected by checking this ratio, so I
would guess this was part of test station for this. I can also think
of some other possible applications that would required something
similar.
But to answer the question, this card is most likely a one of a kind
and will not add to the value of the PLC he wants to sell.
Re: 2nd Harmonic Grade test module
Paul M wrote:
I like your analysis of the card's purpose, but I'm left with a niggling
doubt. Third harmonic currents are much more prominent in transformers
driven by low-impedance sine sources unless there's a DC bias to upset
symmetry.
Jerry
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Re: 2nd Harmonic Grade test module
proclaimed to the world:
This puzzled me too. I did a search to see what came up with second.
Relay testing. Lots of stuff up in the radio bands. Switching power
supplies produce 3rd and 5th harmonics. I also thought of motors. I
have to think it is for some sort of winding test at least.
One of the things I ran across in my work that comes to mind is a
motor winding tester consisting of a scope and power supply set to
inject current into each winding (3P) and compare the ring voltages
for each winding against each other. The waveform should be a
degrading sine wave. Neat device for it's time called a surge tester.
A motor rebuild shop would also use it to look for lamination
problems. The pulse would induce HV across any air gaps that you could
see in a dark room. I used to do a good business making custom testing
setups for people. I found this to be one of the more rewarding parts
of my business. My health continues to improve and thinking about
this has re interested me in building that business up again. Sensor
technology has improved so much since I have been out of it. There
should be lots of opportunities. Always the capitalist.
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