Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom

Translate This Thread From English to

Threaded View


Hi Guys I Think This Would Be a Good Place To Get Some Info.
I Am A Final Year Student In Ireland Studying Control And Automation
Engineering,

For My Final Year Project (Quite A Substantial Percentage Of My Degree)
I Have To Make A Demo Piece With A Plc.

Basically Its Going To Be A System That Pushes A Plc To Its Limits, I
Have A Big Bucket Of Parts At My Disposal That Was Salvaged From An Old
IBM Disc Platter Machine. Everything From Pneumatics To Hydraulics And
More Servos And Stepper Motors Than You Could Shake A Stick At. (Irish
Expression That Means ALOT).

The System Is Going To Be Used As An Educational Tool For Up And Coming
Control Engineers As Well As An Exhibit Piece For The University Open
Days.

I Was Thinking Of Doing A Kind Of "Mousetrap" (If You Know The Board
Game) Type Of Thing With A Ping Pong Ball Moving Around Various Levels
Of A Course With Sensors, Actuators And Pneumatics Moving It And Even
Levatating It At Points. Basically I Want To Get Almost A Domino Effect
With A Ball Completing the Course And Being Reset, Using Conveyors,
Motors Kickers And Anything Else I Can Get My Hands On.

Im Having A Bit Of Trouble With Ideas And This Is Where I Consult The
Plc Gurus (you).

The Rig Should Be Educational, Spectacular To Look At And Fun For The
Open Day.

Does Anybody Know Of Any Existing Similar Setups? Or Anywhere Online I
Could See Some Photos Of Them.

Failing That Any Ideas Would Be Greatly Appriciated,

Thanks For Your Time.


Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



wazdakka@yahoo.com wrote:

One thought:

The domino effect does not need much of a PLC, since it is a cascade
of events based on stored energy.  Think more in terms of each event
being a choice of two (or more) possibilities, with the PLC making the
decision (based on arbitrary rules) of which choice is made at each
decision point that might include the observer in the decision making.
  This provides for a less repetitive, more interesting range of
possibilities.  More of a pinball game than falling dominoes.

Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



Thanks john, thats a much better idea than what i was going to do, the
original idea i had involved pretty much the whole rig running off code
by itself in a loop but your right, where's the fun in that?


Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



On 2 Dec 2005 08:59:31 -0800, wazdakka@yahoo.com wrote:


It's good to see that you are able to write without capitalazing every
word ;)

Tom

Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



OLD HABIT lol anybody else got any ideas?
ill even give you credit and you could be immortised in some university
youve prob never heard of :-)


Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



Check out the Rube Goldberg contest at Purdue Uns. in IN, USA

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/rube/rube.index.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=hFY&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=Rube+Goldberg+contest+at+Purdue&spell=1



  wrote:


Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



A cautionary note.... don't underestimate how much time and effort it can
take when you think big. You might want to prototype a few things and see
how long it takes you, then maybe rework your plans based on the time you
have available. Good luck


Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom




Now that is good advice that goes with the topic "Gurus of Wisdom".  Since
the most any system takes at least 2x expected time to design, develop,
test, finalize, document as built.

Keep it simple, it will get complex on it's own <wink>

Carl



Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



Thanks guys

yea i think you're right the scale of this thing is really hitting home
but i have a bit of time to refine the concept, the official start date
is towards the end of jan but ive got alot of exams between now and
then.
The total project time is going to be about 10 weeks so its going to be
fairly hectec, i might have a lab technician to help me with parts of
the concept and built though, so that should help a bit.

Also has anybody heard of a company called "Feedback" or "Feedback
Systems" ? It was vaguely suggested to me by somebody but trying to
find it online ....... well lets just say needle and haystack.

Thanks for all the feedback and suggestions guys, there really useful,
keep em coming.


Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



Carl wrote:

The rule of thumb for time estimating I use is, "multiply by
two and go to the next higher unit."  For example, if 4
hours seems how long something should take, figure 8 days.
I something seems like a 2 day task, figure 4 weeks.  :-)

Re: Help Me O Plc Gurus Of Wisdom



You know what guys? i posted this thread in about 15 different groups
and this is the only one where i got any response, thanks again and
keep the ideas comming :-)


Site Timeline