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Idle Curiosity -- 4-20mA Signalling
- 10-06-2009
October 6, 2009, 12:12 pm
Is there a (IEEE, EIA, whatever) specification for voltage levels in a
4-20mA signaling loop? Or is there some common way of specifying the
amount of power available to a loop-powered device? If it isn't
specified, is there some common usage?
I'm curious as to how much freedom one has to power ones device when one
designs some gizmo that flaps in the breeze on the end of a current loop.
But I'm not designing anything right now.
Danke.
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4-20mA signaling loop? Or is there some common way of specifying the
amount of power available to a loop-powered device? If it isn't
specified, is there some common usage?
I'm curious as to how much freedom one has to power ones device when one
designs some gizmo that flaps in the breeze on the end of a current loop.
But I'm not designing anything right now.
Danke.
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www.wescottdesign.com
Re: Idle Curiosity -- 4-20mA Signalling
That's really a system spec. The limit is the power supply voltage. 40V
is about the most you'll find, and 24V most likely. The drop across
other devices that may be in seried tells you how much you have left. At
20ma. At 4 ma, you have 1/5th of that. Google will turn up a lot of
stuff like
http://www.bapihvac.com/CatalogPDFs/I_App_Notes/Understanding_Current_Loops.pdf
Jerry
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Re: Idle Curiosity -- 4-20mA Signalling
I'm curious about a "standard" as well. I _think_ the device
electronics must simply consume less than 4mA, so that "zero signal
input" can cause a draw of exactly 4mA??
This one...
http://analog-innovations.com/SED/SpehroLoopProtect2.pdf
dates back 8 years, in answer to an original post by Spehro.
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Re: Idle Curiosity -- 4-20mA Signalling
Tim Wescott wrote:
You'd have to go by the compliance range given in the datasheets:
http://www.cla-val.com/pdfs/E-X117D.pdf
http://www.aamatrix.com/datasheets/AF-FtR_DS.pdf
The standard would be ANSI/ISA S50.1 which I don't have but parts are
outlined here:
http://www.dataforth.com/catalog/pdf/an104.pdf
As Lasse hinted you'd have to obtain the compliance ranges of all the
devices in the system. After all, it won't do you any good if the whole
thing complies to the standard but doesn't work reliably.
But, as the scouts say, be prepared :-)
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Re: Idle Curiosity -- 4-20mA Signalling
Tim Wescott wrote:
I would say an excellent question; another way is to ask what is the
voltage compliance.
If one wanted to be really bizarre and have a large voltage
compliance, then the open circuit voltage could be up to 100KV which
would allow a small break in the circuit to be "ignored".
Re: Idle Curiosity -- 4-20mA Signalling
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:29:30 -0700, Robert Baer
This would require a quite large loop current also.
While the high open loop voltage may allow sparks to occur across air
gaps, the created ionization does not last long, unless sufficient
power is supplied to compensate for the radiation losses.
Of course with long wires and large stray capacitances that would
create a resonant circuit, so this would be a nice spark gap
transmitter and as such, could be used for wireless communication :-).
Paul
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