Information on postdoc job conditions (BAT Ib)?

Hi all,

Perhaps this is not the right group for asking this; also my apologies for writing in English - I understand German, but my German writing skills are a bit rusty at the moment.

I have been offered a postdoc position in Hannover. According to the job description, the salary will be according to BAT Ib (age 28, single). I tried to find out what nett monthly income this will translate to, using this website:

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I am not familiar with the German tax system. What Lohnsteuerklasse should I select and is the Krankenkassensatz always 14%?

Could any one of you help me out? I can read German, so no need to reply in English. Pointers to relevant websites are welcome as well. Many thanks in advance.

Best wishes,

Eelco

Anti-sp@m protection: please change the order of the s and the c (abbreviation for computer science) after the @ in my email address.

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Eelco
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*Eelco* wrote on Mon, 05-12-26 13:48:

Since noone has answered in the last four hours, I'll try:

If you are single, it is Lohnsteuerklasse I. (N.B: This is an interim payment only. Tax is computed for your income for the whole year and there may apply reductions. With Klasse I you are not obliged to fill in a tax return form at the end of the year, but you may be well advised to do so anyway.)

Krankenkasse varies, but not by much. And in reality it is 28 %, not 14 %. This is irrelevant for you now, but laywers customarily violate the human language. Net income is what you get, gross is what the employer pays, this is no more and no less than the defintion of the terms. In Germany we have a nominal gross in roughly the middle between the two and the employer does not pay your gross salary but the gross plus the "employer's share". Human language and lawyers do not mix!

I may be prepared to answer your questions, if you ask politely, but I am not your trained dog to jump through hoops for you. If you want to participate in groups, a basic level of common manners is expected, and a reply-able address is amongst them!

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Axel Berger

Eelco schrieb:

The part of the Krankenkassensatz, you have to pay, is in a range of 3%, so it should be somewhere between 12,5...15,5 %, depending on the Krankenkasse. But with your dates, your annual wages will be 42929.94 Euro and if your wages > 42.750 Euro, you may apply for a 'Private Krankenversicherung'. If you are single without kids and if you plan to leave Germany after some years, this will be surely the cheaper insurance with better medical support.

If you have a lot of time for promotional information, read the site

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provided by the department of health.

Regards, Ralf.

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Ralf Pfeifer

Thanks for the information. This is what I needed to get a rough estimate.

Thanks for the offer, but I think you already satisfied my information need. As far as the munged email address is concerned: in most groups that I participate in, it is a well-accepted and common practice to slightly change the email address to avoid spam.

Best wishes,

Eelco

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Eelco

Thanks, that sounds like good advice. I'll keep it for future reference.

Best wishes,

Eelco

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Eelco

What you earn you can see here:

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Nett its 1944.81 E if your Kranknkenkasse has 14%. As the others say it can vary a little bit.

Regards, Matthias

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Matthias Frank

Axel Berger schrieb:

Sorry, that is wrong. You have the gross income, pay roughly 50% of the social insurance cost and your employer pays the other half.If you want to get the total cost of employment to compare a salary with a US salary, add approximately 20%. The german tax system is the most complicated in the world. Fortunately there are good estimations for the net income.

Regards, Ansgar

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Ansgar Kursawe
*Ansgar Kursawe* wrote on Wed, 05-12-28 21:55:

Is it?

So your "correction" did not add anything to what I had fully explained earlier. Any factual corrections?

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Axel Berger

Axel Berger schrieb:

You wrote "And in reality it is 28 %, not 14 %." And thats dead wrong. The total amount is 14% with a personal contribution (the thing you "see") of 7%.

Yes, indeed.

/Ansgar

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Ansgar Kursawe
*Ansgar Kursawe* wrote on Thu, 05-12-29 20:29:

Stimmt! My mistake! Sorry about that. (Being self employed I'm sort of unnormal and do pay 14 % myself, but that is a lame excuse at best.)

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Axel Berger

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