Electromagnetic Energy in Dental Amalgams

From the tone of the first post and the tone below, yes.

You were doing fine until "If you wish to be as knowledgeable as I...", then the arrogant I know better than you so shut the hell up and do as I say tone returned.

Ah, the spice, the spice, So entertaining ...

One post from the Master Troll and there are a dozen replies and no doubt a dozen more waiting.

MA Sonjariv

Material costs close to zero? How close is fifty bucks for 5g to zero?

JOEL

True, I always give the patient the choice (and the associated additional cost) in choosing between a #12 blade and a #15 blade for my Bard-Parker scalpel.

JOEL

My error--I thought it was you lecturing the patient that the dentist needed "a bashing" (when it was -Rene Tschaggelar)-I thought I was only returning the arrogance, and apologise for misfiring. As for the substance (as opposed to tone) do you really think clinical decisions such as this should be left to the patient?

Steve

-- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS Brooklyn, NY

OK.

As to the substance, it is the patients body, pain, and money.

I'll give you a couple of practical examples:

A couple of years ago I developed a dental problem; the details are not important.

The dentist gave me three options, one of which was to do nothing.

He explained the short and long term effects of all options, the costs, what would be involved, etc. and which option he thought best.

He even briefly mentioned other solutions and why they were not a valid option in this case.

It is because he does this that he has been my dentist for a long time and will continue to be and gets reccommended to anyone that asks me if I know a good dentist.

In another case, an MD gave me an obviously BS answer when I dared to question him on something. I found another MD the next day.

How many tooth can you do with 5g ? I remember a filling being in the order of 3x3mm cylidrical. That was a ceramic inlay. Let's say that weighs 50mg. Then cames some polymer on top.

No, no the difference is the hourly rate of 200bucks per hour or so. Then it is substantial whether it takes 3 times longer.

Rene

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote:

Perfectly understandable, and totally different from making a clinical decision on your own or dictating treatment. Exactly the kind of interaction I'm looking for with a patient.

Steve

-- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS Brooklyn, NY

Absolutely. Amalgam is ugly beyond description. Strange that you never noticed that, as you appear to be from the field. The cost are coverable. Ask the patient whether the nicer look is justified by a few bucks more. I was asked and choose to pay more.

Rene

In the appropriate application this can be a good choice. Don't know what you mean by "coverable". The extra expense is generally not covered by insurance benefits in the US. I have heard that beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to the bone.

Steve

-- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS Brooklyn, NY

Ah, that's the point: the expenses not being covered, I mean. We don't have dental treatments insured over here, so I pay everything myself. And be it extra expenses for a nice looking job. Yes, the polymer did cost 3 times as much. The polymer fillings are still going after almost 20 years, they are still nice looking. Despite being told they were experimental then, the choice was right. And hey, divided by 20 years, the extra cost weren't that great. I had to replace one recently though.

You mean your patients aren't able to pull out a few green ones for something that is not covered by the insurance ? Or don't they know the possibility to pull out a few green ones ? Could be a communication problem.

Rene

Then too, could be a gagging problem. (If you're not familiar with the dental gagging problem, look it up on Google.) I really don't want to say more about this problem for obvious discretionary reasons, but it's more than a minor issue.

Harry C.

What are you getting at? EM fields are everywhere. If you are trying to say EM fields + amalgams = danger, then you are totally off base and any research that suggest this is pure and utter junk. Please stop grasping at random straws like this.

I've told you more than 5 times to go look up mu and epsilon for the materials comprising amalgams. Why haven't you done this yet?

Ah, communicatiuon problem. I was talking about dollar bills. They all are green, with moreless equal size. Oh , I forgot 100$ bills are discurraged, So a roll of 1$, then.

Rene

You you are saying that electromagnetism is everywhere including dental fillings so dentists are pizining people?

JOEL

Precisely. We have no problem getting patients to see that composite looks better than amalgam!

JOEL

Pulling out a few green ones .............. please post to alt.gardening.weeding .........

Any nice photos of patients vomiting in the cuspidor?

If they are tiny cavities, possibly around 20. In fact the identical material either comes in 4g tubes, 5g tubes or in 0.25g individual compules.

Each is expressed by a slightly differernt extrusion method. If its the compules, it often takes two, possibly three for a large sized cavity.

Again, the cost of material is small as was the cost of the Magic Marker that Pablo Picasso used to create "The Man of La Mancha."

That work is certainly worth far more than the napkin upon which it was compose.

JOEL