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I'm looking for help with two (possibly three) relatively small metal
parts for my current R&D project, and decided to "stick my toe in the
water" on r.c.m to see if anyone would be interested in tackling any or
all of them.

The project is a roughly shoebox-size low energy nuclear reactor (LENR),
and there is a conceptual description at

    http://www.iedu.com/Solar/LENR /

The first part needed is a stainless steel containment vessel, the
second is a manifold block incorporating a gas passage and provision for
four solenoid valves and a pressure sensor, and the third is a
mechanical linkage between a motor and the handle on a standard bottled
gas pressure regulator.

The containment vessel and the manifold need to be able to withstand
pressure to 3450kPa/500psi and temperature to 500ËšC/932ËšF.

I will need letters relinquishing intellectual property rights to design
and drawings. The intent is to ensure that the final result of the
project can be made freely available without encumbrance.

I am, of course, willing to pay (not a lot, because I don't have a lot),
but would prefer to do this:

If there's a person (or two people) willing to help complete the
specifications (with good CAD drawings) and provide ten copies of all
three parts, then I'm willing to provide each with a complete set of
these parts plus a pre-programmed Arduino microcontroller and a how-to
for completing, testing, and operating the tiny nuclear reactor.

--
Morris Dovey
http://www.iedu.com/Solar /
http://www.facebook.com/MorrisDovey

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.



Before you waste your own money, read up on this fellow Rossi (for example
http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.it/2012/03/sinking-of-e-cat.html ) who
supposedly invented this and remember this would not be the first time
someone has tried to con investors with ridiculous technology. I was once
asked by my former company to do a technical critique of a technology for
semiconductor photolithography that was being sold by two guys backed by
well known investors. It would have been game-changing if it had been true.
The technical description started out seeming reasonable to anyone who had a
year of college physics, but then it devolved into complete, utter,
fictional bullshit designed to snow people who did not know better. There is
a well known psychological phenomenon where the promise of great rewards
will turn off one's usual skeptical and cautious instincts.


Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On 7/26/12 11:22 AM, anorton wrote:


I hear you. I sat up and took notice when Rossi first announced success
with his Ni/H apparatus, and I've followed developments as closely as
time has permitted. His early results appear to have been independently
duplicated elsewhere with varying degrees of success.

Rossi and other experimenters (all of whom appear to have used
essentially the same poorly-controlled reactor configuration) have
encountered stability problems, especially during start-up and
shut-down, and especially with reactors operating with greater than 5kW
output levels.

I was a computer systems guy (not a physicist) who worked primarily on
mission-critical device control and data acquisition software for a half
century, so I saw this as a control/software challenge - and happened to
be in need of a low-cost 400ËšC heat source for incorporation into a
no-moving-parts generator I was (and still am) working on for
third-world deployment. Rossi's Ni/H LENR, if it works anywhere as near
as well as expected, is a 'wizard' solution.

The generator, by the way, is also unproven. :-) You can catch a glimpse
of the concepts involved with that at

    http://www.iedu.com/Solar/Electricity /

I think that the possible humanitarian benefits so far outweigh the
personal financial risks that I've decided to proceed with my own, more
disciplined, investigation of both technologies.

--
Morris Dovey
http://www.iedu.com/Solar /
http://www.facebook.com/MorrisDovey

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.


Morris Dovey wrote:

The Soviet Union powered remote nav/com stations using radio-thermic
generators that had no moving parts and required no maintenance or
sophisticated control systems. The only issue I've heard of with those
units is when idiot scrappers tried to dismantle them and dropped dead
shortly thereafter.

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On 7/26/12 12:50 PM, Pete C. wrote:


There's some good technology out there - and my understanding is that
much of the really elegant work has been done by the Russians and the
Japanese, although much of it has been directed toward gas plasma,
rather than fluid systems.

It was an almost offhand comment about some Russian work in the appendix
of an old copy of "Steam Tables" that got me to thinking about using
supercritical water in an MHD generator.

One of the really nice attributes of the Ni/H LENR is that none of the
elements are dangerous, other than that the hydrogen is flammable.

--
Morris Dovey
http://www.iedu.com/Solar /
http://www.facebook.com/MorrisDovey

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:22:37 -0700, "anorton"


Ambitious men spend their youth in rendering themselves worthy of
patronage; it is their great mistake. While the foolish creatures are
laying in stores of knowledge and energy, so that they shall not sink
under the weight of responsible posts that recede from them, schemers
come and go who are wealthy in words and destitute of ideas, astonish
the ignorant, and creep into the confidence of those who have a little
knowledge.

--Honoré de Balzac (ca. 175 years ago).


Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.


The way Morris is approaching this, in the best case he will help poor
third-world farmers, in the worst he will learn a lot about
alternate-energy experimental technique. Rossi may or may not be
intentionally or inadvertently (my guess) wrong, but Morris is NOT a
scammer.

jsw



Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

But... but.... what would you do with a 547 million dollar lottery winning?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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.


 There is  a well known psychological phenomenon
where the promise of great rewards
will turn off one's usual skeptical and cautious instincts.



Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On 7/26/2012 3:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Buy everybody in town a Coke!



Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

I'm glad you bought a couple extra tickets. Odds of winning are 1 in
54,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
  www.lds.org
.

On 7/26/2012 3:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Buy everybody in town a Coke!



Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.



Buy myself a Coke:
http://quotes.wsj.com/KO




Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On 7/26/12 3:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I'd hire the talent to polish off both projects within six months. But
in order for that to happen I suppose I'd have to buy a lottery ticket.

Not going to happen.  :-/

--
Morris Dovey
http://www.iedu.com/Solar /
http://www.facebook.com/MorrisDovey

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.


I haven't offered to make your reactor because I'm unsure of the
liability consequences if a part I made or one attached to it should
fail and cause injury. The experimental apparatus I've built was as an
employee under an engineer's supervision and responsibility.

I'm not trying to hinder you, someone must have the answers.

jsw



Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On 7/26/12 12:31 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

The answer is mine (and only mine) to give: I'll provide a written,
notarized waiver of liability to parts producers.

If you have a sample that you can share, I'd appreciate a copy either
here or via e-mail.

--
Morris Dovey
http://www.iedu.com/Solar /
http://www.facebook.com/MorrisDovey

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.



I don't as I was always under a corporate umbrella. THEY were sued,
but I weaseled out of it.

Another issue is obtaining the raw material in small quantities. Here
is are some central New England sources:
http://brassandtool.com/Metals.html#303Stainless
http://www.alliantmetals.com /


http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=1&step=2&top_cat=1
It's very helpful if the maximum diameter stays within their readily
available sizes.

jsw



Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On 7/26/12 1:28 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

No worry - I can provide.


Thank you for those. I've been looking at

    http://www.onlinemetals.com /

for stainless steel tubing.

The good news is that although the data acquisition stuff may be on the
spendy side, the actual reactor and its fuel are fairly inexpensive. :-)

--
Morris Dovey
http://www.iedu.com/Solar /
http://www.facebook.com/MorrisDovey

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:06:15 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:


That'll cover Jim if only you get injured, and if you don't get killed or
injured badly enough that you can't tell your relatives not to sue.  It
doesn't help if you blow the wall out of your garage and through your
vindicative neighbor's Audi -- if they sue, they'll reach right around
you and sue Jim, too.

It helps a lot if the guy doing the work has the status of "a friend
helping out" rather than "a pro shop doing something they know they
shouldn't".  Personal injury lawyers don't want to sue someone who (a)
can't be squeezed for much money, and (b) can tell a good sob story to
the press.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On 7/26/12 7:58 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

Well, I'm sorta looking for someone that fits the category of "a friend
helping out". If I'd wanted to go to a pro shop, I'd have done that -
and I may still need to do that, but I think there's more talent, skill,
and experience available here than in any of the machine shops I can
afford to deal with in my immediate area.

[ Side note: In the past I did a fair amount of lurking and have gotten
some absolutely first class advice from folks on r.c.m back when I was
building a specialized CNC router for joinery. It was the quality of the
advice and the accompanying explanations that brought me back today. ]

My shop is in a non-residential area, and my shop landlord and my shop
neighbors have been fairly enthusiastic about this project - to the
extent of donating materials they thought might be useful.

Over the past year I've built every imaginable precaution into the
control software to make it as twitchy/paranoid as possible - and its
top priority activity is to achieve a 'cold' shutdown within a quarter
second on /any/ deviation from expected behavior. I figure that it'll be
easier to suffer false shutdowns, adjust parameters, and restart than
have to deal with even minor consequences of failing to do so.

Still, I don't know how to guarantee /perfect/ safety for anyone - so
anyone who feels a need for that probably should not be involved.

--
Morris Dovey
http://www.iedu.com/Solar /
http://www.facebook.com/MorrisDovey

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:40:19 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:


What, oh what, are the public workshops called that are springing up in
major cities?

I'm drawing an absolute blank.  This is way frustrating.

But there's a movement afoot in the US to provide workshop space for
inventors like you, and more mundane maker sorts, too.  If you can think
of the right keywords, you may even find something local.  Nearly all of
them have lots of tools; some of them have folks on staff to help you do
stuff, I would imagine that many have folks hanging around who'd be
enthusiastic, too.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

Re: Metalworking help needed for a personal (non-commercial) project.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:04:59 -0500, the renowned Tim Wescott


Hackerspaces!  The ones I've seen are not exactly public, but close
enuf.


And young talented folks whose first worry is not about liability.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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