New steel I don't recognize

I got in a hurry on a job, and had to run 10-mi to the scrapyard for some heavy 4" angle, rather than driving the 80-mile round-trip to the only distributor around. It ended up being some 9.8lb/ft 4x4 angle (so, pretty heavy angle, 3/8" flanges).

They had only one piece that would suit: It was obviously hot-dip galvanized (no problem in itself), had cut ends (after galvanizing), and had sat in the yard, in the weather (wet) for weeks to months before I rescued it.

It welds perfectly with mild steel MIG wire and CO2. Did some test welds before comitting to all the cutwork I needed to do on it. It made clean, smooth, STRONG welds that I could not break even bending the piece at the weld... it just bent there, being just a line-weld, and thinner than the flange.

'Funny thing, though, none of the few gouges and dings in it had even a trace of rust. Neither did the cut ends ??? I did some fresh cuts, exposed them to overnight dew and 85F temps (just to see), and not a SIGN of corrosion.

Hmmm... I'm not familiar with the alloy. It's obviously NOT any of the

3xx series stainless I often work with, and although those will braze, and will weld Eh..OK with mild steel wire, they don't usually produce as strong a weld as the base metal. It's also as strongly magnetic as A36 would be.

My experience has been that when heavily galvanized members like this show up in the scrapyard, they've often come from power company pull- downs.

Has anybody worked with a steel that demonstrates these properties? I think I'd like to find more of it!

Lloyd

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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
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I have not and I have no clue about what it is, but keep in mind that A36 is a very loose specification, traditionally based on strength and weldability, with only slipshod nods to ductility, etc. For years, it didn't even specify the alloy.

And a piece of rolled angle, unless it's a documented grade, could be almost anything.

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Ed Huntress

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All I said was it was a strongly-magnetic as A36. I made NO other comparisons to it. ???

L
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

I've heard of smearing when galvanized sheet steel is cut with a shear. Which I'm sure you have too.... From a little bit of searching I found this that may explain it some:

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Should make more sense to you with your background... but the gist I get is that even though you exposed untreated metal the treatment still close by is somewhat protecting it (shrug).

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Leon Fisk

But that's the steel used for the majority of non-certified structural shapes. The point is that you can't tell what the alloy is, specifically, even if you suspect it's A36. If its galvanized, it's nothing fancy, and A36 or some other non-grade that's even lower on the totem pole is likely.

It could contain some nickel, or even some chromium, if it's a random mess of remelt. It isn't some rust-resistant alloy if it's galvanized. I'm sure you know that even a broken coating of zinc is somewhat protective even at 1/8 in. or so from the zinc.

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Ed Huntress

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That explains a number of things I know about coatings, but doesn't explain this. The material is thick enough not to allow smearing, especially when it's being cut by a saw.

This stuff corrodes (doesn't) like stainless, but welds and cuts like ordinary structural steel! It's not a problem... but an opportunity to learn something new. FWIW, even the saw-cuttings don't rust!

Lloyd

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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

Ed Huntress fired this volley in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Geesh, Ed. You've drawn conclusions based on things I never wrote.

If you cannot be helpful, how about not 'helping'?

Lloyd

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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

Any chance that scrapyard, or any other within whatever your curiosity-driven driving distance tolerance is, has one of those handheld x-ray fluorescence analyzers that will tell you the composition? Or is there a 4 year college nearby? If so, call the chemistry department and ask who teaches the undergraduate instrumental analysis course and when they have their office hours and pay them a visit with a sample they can use in the course as an unknown, along with an appropriate beverage :-). If those don't work and you really want to know, I'm sure you can find online companies that will do the analysis for real $$$.

----- Regards, Carl Ijames

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Carl Ijames

No problem,. Lloyd! I look forward to hearing what you learn about your rust-resistant steel angle...that's hot-dip galvanized.

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Ed Huntress

(the little weasel lies in wait behind his trash can, waiting for something to go by that he can jump on and bite...but two of his antagonists show up at once...which ankle should he go for? There's Uncle Loud, and nsf Eddie...juicy ankles on both...decisions, decisions...

Ed has been particularly tough on the little weasel lately. Let's go bite him!)

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Ed Huntress

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Good idea! No, the scrapyard is not one of that sort (ultra-redneck- true-'junkyard' sort of business).

But I have a college with a good materials sciences department just 25 miles away.

Lloyd

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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

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Jim Wilkins

If you get serious about finding the contents of a metal (~$60 = serious), try the yellow pages under, I believe, labortories, for a company that tests material. The pertinnent test is labeled a "metals test". This is a spark with some spectrum analysis equipment and the ability of determining what metals and at what concentration exist from the various metalic signatures. It's been about 10 years since I had one of these test made but my memory is that fishing for the lowest price weeded some talkalot companies.

Hul

Lloyd E. Sp> I got in a hurry on a job, and had to run 10-mi to the scrapyard for some

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Hul Tytus

Failed at what? All he did was grin, you moron. It looks like he succeeded.

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Ed Huntress

Any scrap yard with a XRF gun can scan it.

My guess is that it is just carbon steel, and it did NOT sit around for months and that is why it is not rusted where it was cut.

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Ignoramus20635

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I can assure you it did, Ig. I dug it out of wet dirt; One end was exposed (which was how I found it), the other end almost 3" below the surface! The soil was thoroughly-compacted around it. It's been soaking- wet here for months; rain almost every day, and temps in the mid 90s.

Besides, the 'dew test' I gave it would have rusted any common structural steel overnight. Even when bare steel things stay 'dry' here, they rust overnight if not in an AC'd environment! It's Florida.

Lloyd

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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

Projecting again, eh, Jonny? You really could use some couch time.

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Ed Huntress

That is good info. Scrap yards could have exotic steel from a local chemical (beer, cyno..., Physics lab, etc, chemical co) infrastructure that was changed and the old was scrapped.

Martin

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Martin Eastburn

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 2:59:45 PM UTC-4, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrot e:

My guess is that it is one of the structural steels and the fact that it do es not rust is because it is hot dipped galvanized. After all why would th ey have galvanized it , if it would not rust without the galvanizing. My w ild guess is that it is something like A709-HPS70W or A852.

If you can not get an analysis at your local college, let me know. The loc al scrap yard has a XRF analyser and I think I could get them to test a sam ple. The sample would have to have the galvanizing removed.

Dan

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dcaster

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Which goes show that I am some what smarter than a rooster and jon is somewhat dumber, as he keeps coming back for more :-)

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John B.

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