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One Tool Steel classification Source

I do both blacksmithing and a little machining. Several tool steels are important to me. Recently I ran into a source for 1095 at a reasonable price, and while discussing it with others, the question came up as to "what's the difference between 1095 and W1?"

While looking in Machinery?s Handbook for the ?difference? between W1 and 1095 steels, I realized that the ?Letter Symbol? AISI/SAE classification system for tool steels didn?t appear until its nineteenth edition, 1971. So, if you want to look up W or O or H series tool steels, you will have to have a 19th or later edition.

For those who are interested, this classification system doesn?t appear to introduce any new steels, it just collected data on the ?tool steel? usages of existing AISI and or SAE types.

----Oh--- what?s the difference between W1 and 1095? Nothing, maybe, but W1?s carbon content can be as low as 0.6 % and still meet the description of the class. Usually, though, W1 seems to be sold as ?Carbon = 0.95% - 1.05.? It has no significant alloying elements.

Pete Stanaitis

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spaco
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Right. They'll generally behave the same. Most reputable suppliers of W1 supply a remelted product -- electroslag or maybe even VAR (I forget). It may be slightly cleaner, but today's SAE-graded steels, from US and European suppliers, are very good stuff.

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

Here's some more info on the subject:

The difference is in the fine print. ;)

Both are AISI/SAE specifications and the steel's ability and/or quality to match them.

The tool steel W1 is an electric furnace steel and maybe even vaccuum-electric-arc re-melted. The cances of a vaccuum re-melt increases with the higher alloyed steels like A2, D2 and M2.

Copper content on 1095 is .60% maximum and silicon content is the same .60%Si-max, even tho you won't see it listed either.

Maximum copper content on all tool steels except the W series is .25% and .20%Cu-max on the W series. In practice it's much lower!

Stainless steel is understood to have .35% to .65%Cu unless otherwise stated (it oozes out into and protects the grain boundries when the alloying is so high, especially when Cr is present).

HSLA (high strength low alloy) steels are strengthened by copper's solid solution with iron which is alot like nickel that way. But for me, as a knife-knut, copper is an impurity.

I don't know the business-end or politics of these designations...

I had some 50100-B spectrographed and it would easiy fit inside the specifications for W7 tool steel. (composition-wise) But they don't call it "W7 tool steel"...

Is it because the steel would have to be submitted to AISI and/or SAE to be approved? If so, what would that cost? What might they be doing or not doing in the production of the 50100-B that would disqualify them, and would that cost more money to correct? What would it gain them to call it W7 anyway?

"Carbon and Alloy Steels" are listed in one section and the "Tool Steels" are listed in another section for lots of reasons. ;)

"Carbon and Alloy Steels" are used for "machine parts".

If you want to get the best steel to be had to cut something, look in the "Tool Steel" section. ;)

Alvin in AZ

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spaco

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