Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

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I am making a set of fingers for my 24" DiAcro fingerbrake, out of
1.25" hotrolled steel plates, and decided to square the roughly
bandsawed blocks, on the shaper. Being hot rolled..there is a thick
scale skin and its rough on endmills and fly cutters. Plus the blocks
may have been flame cut from a larger plate at the mill..the edges
seem to have a faint flame cut edge..so there is a HAZ that needs to
be gotten through. Ive got face mills..but the big Gorton has no power
feed..and I hate face milling by hand on stuff thats gonna need a
heavy cut

Id tried a slab mill on my Clausing 8540..but for some reason..the
table is rocking and I cant see exactly where..sigh..another Roundtuit
to address....

With the vise..the 8" shaper is NOT capable of squaring a 6" block, so
I pulled the support rail out from under the table and lowered the
table down, using a thinner support rail to give me the smidge of room
I needed.

I set the stroke, travel etc..and let it run a couple cycles to check
out everything. All a-ok

So I set the feed per stroke on the dovetailed gizmo on the end of the
crank and let her run.

It was making a nice cut..and suddenly the link that goes between the
feed dog mechanism on the feed worm and the dovetailed gizmo bent
slightly and the rachet mechanism dropped below 2 Oclock..the link not
being long enough.Before I could shut it off..it busted out one side
of the dovetailed gizmo on the end of the crank. PLINK!!!

The part apparently is cast iron. So I have two options...drill and
tap, or drill and dowel pin and then braze, or make a new dovetailed
gizmo from scratch. I do have the proper sized dovetail cutter (and if
I were any good..Id use the shaper itself to cut the
dovetail....shrug)

What should I do? Try to pin and weld the old part, or make a new one?
Buying one from Logan..is financially out of the question for me at
this time.

Should I hunt around for a proper piece of cast iron, or should I use
nitrated silly putty for the new part?  Im fresh out of unobtainium
and the last time I did lanthanated titanium..the lathe caught fire.

Second time in a year where I wished I had a bigger shaper..damnit

There is a pretty nice Gemco 16" I might be able to get...hydraulic I
think..but then..Id have to move the Rolls Royce out of the shop to
make room.

Sigh..what to do..what to do.....

<G>

Gunner, who is negotiating for a Albine miller



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
 the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper



Not sure who would have the cash to buy from the dealer, I know when I
called sheldon to get a price on a fibre gear (yes fibre not even steel)
they wanted $285 for one gear.



Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

I vote for just making a new part out of whatever steel you have on hand.
Should be way stronger than cast. If the cast part broke because of pressure
of running, the patch will be weaker and it will just break again.

May be easier to just get another shaper. Its the one machine they give away
if you want a large one.

Karl



Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:26:13 GMT, "Karl Townsend"


Hey!!  I like the way you think!!

Hummm ..there has become a space issue though....

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
 the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

wrote:


Want to borrow mine? Doesn't look too hard to make except the tapered
pin hole and the inside radius. I'm not using mine anyhow and won't
sell it without fixing the ratchet end that is my problem.

Looks like you would need an extended arm to prevent that from
happening again with the table all the way down. I take it that you
sold that cool bigger shaper.

Maybe you could make me the pin, and holder for the ratchet housing
that my cluts friend lost for me. They are small parts that I don't
have a sample to copy. Don't let other people clean your shop for you
and not check the pile for parts that you don't know are missing.

I'd buy new hardened ones, but I don't think Scott has them. Would my
dove tail gizmo fit your machine without modifying?

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:26:36 -0800, Sunworshipper


Thanks for the offer. Ill see about making you the parts for yours
when I finish making the stuff for mine.

I had a few pounds of hydroflorinated plasma putty and the hardner..so
Im machining the new assembly at the moment.  Well..I finished the
gizmo last night..but the dovetail cutter I had was .05 wider than the
original..so now I need to make a new gizgut to go into the dovetail.
Fortunately..I do have a 45 degree cutter for the horizontal
miller..so it will only take a short time to whip one out.

But thanks

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
 the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

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If the metallurgy isn't such that it needs to be cast, why not make it
out of something a few hundred years newer, technologically?


If anyone but you posted this, I'd refer them to you.


Dust off & nuke 'em from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper


<snip tale of woe>

I assume that you've worked your way 'round the problem by now anyway, but ...
The first order of the day is to make the arm an inch or two longer so that
the problem doesn't happen again. The second part could well be pinning and
krazy gluing the broken bits together because they should only see a couple of
pounds of force normally. Thereafter I would be looking for a bit of
continuously cast iron bar to make an exact replacement from Just because _I_
like machining cast iron :-)


Mark Rand (part way through a weld repair of the feed gears for my 10" Royal
shaper for the last two years :- http://www.test-net.com/DSCN4816.JPG )

RTFM

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:28:29 +0100, Mark Rand


I had a quart of  hydroflorinated silly putty I kept tripping over..so
formed a big ball of it, let it cure and then hacked it into shape
with an axe. Works pretty good.  And I made an extension for the arm
if I ever need to drop the table all the way down again.Tounge
Depressors..that makes a great extension......

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/shaperFix.jpg

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
 the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

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It didn't make it gunner - did you forget the mandatory text file???
Ken.

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It didn't make it gunner - did you forget the mandatory text file???
Ken.


Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

Ken Sterling (Ken Sterling) wrote:

I got it OK.

Ken (the other one)



Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

What is hydroflorinated silly putty? I've never
heard of it.

Tom



Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:29:13 +1100, "Tom Miller"


Its used for hypergolic seals on fesko tanks.

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
 the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper



 Gunner, are you pulling my chain?
Tom



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Yep, and those self-igniting seals are rare and expensive, especially
the ones for Fesko tanks! Those Feskos are a wild and warlike bunch.
Hence the tanks.


Gunner pull someone's's chain? Nah! Never happen.


BTW, Gunner: I'm up to three now. Dad left me his race gun. Still
angling for the priesthood. :)

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wrote:


No no..not those Feskos. They are in the Balkans

he Fesco tanks this stuff is used for are for heat treating objects
made of Nerf.

Cool!  Sounds lke you are ready for your own congregation.

Ok!  by the powers vested in me by the State of California, the Lethal
Force Institute and Jeff Cooper, I dub thee Father John, Priest in the
Church of John Moses Browning.

Now let us bow our heads and repeat the Holy Color Codes...

Gunner
,


"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
 the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper


Pardon, oh Bishop (Archbishop?), but what are the entrance requirements
for said office, please?  I believe you've seen images of my
credentials, if not I'd be happy to mail the URL to you.
Of Mr. Browning's work, I have quite a few specimens, more if you count
derived designs by others.  I think the only thing I have more of is
that of the Mausers, if you include derived works.  I think.

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper



At least 3 1911s or clones, or a Ma Duce, (a Ma Duce beats any number
of 1911s/clones)

Id have to do a work up on  your qualifications,  reasons you desire
to join the Priesthood and last qual scores.

Please submit them with a 2 liter bottle of Diet Mt. Dew and a cat
toy..and Ill start the paper work.

Gunner, Bishop in the Church of John Moses Browning




"The importance of morality is that people behave themselves even if
nobody's watching. There are not enough cops and laws to replace
personal morality as a means to produce a civilized society. Indeed,
the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of
defense for a civilized society. Unfortunately, too many of us see
police, laws and the criminal justice system as society's first line
of defense." --Walter Williams

Re: Sigh..I broke my Logan Shaper


You've got mail.  I think you want specifically to look at the sixth
image, although they're all interesting in their own regard.  Click on
the images to see details.


Does that need to be an NRA-sanctioned event, or can I go out in the
back yard and do some 25 yard work?


But...a 2 liter bottle of Mt. Dew _is_ a cat toy.  I'm all confuzzled.


So is that saturdays, or sundays then?


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I think Dave is more than qualified...chuckle...he has almost as many
as I do.

The Cap from a bottle of Dew..is a cat toy..the bottle itself is a dog
toy..particularly with some pebbles in it and squeezed so its about
half flat. and the cap put back on. Assuming you can find the cap
after the cat ran off with it...

Backyard work is fine, as long as it was witnessed by an impartial
witness. A cat will be perfect..simply have him/her leave paw print.


"The importance of morality is that people behave themselves even if
nobody's watching. There are not enough cops and laws to replace
personal morality as a means to produce a civilized society. Indeed,
the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of
defense for a civilized society. Unfortunately, too many of us see
police, laws and the criminal justice system as society's first line
of defense." --Walter Williams

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