Dental amalgam?

Recently a member of my family broke a tooth, and the previous filling, where it had been teased out neatly by the dentist, left a very sharp point which was cutting into the tongue.

I tried to file it down, without success and then tried a couple of my whetstones which merely got scored *****

So, this begs the question as to whether a supply of dental amalgam could be used to produce our own ceramic cutting inserts?

***** Finally had to snap it off with a pair of electronic side-cutters.
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gareth
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In article , gareth writes

I'm sure this suggestion was made tongue-in-cheek (or tongue-in-broken-tooth) but...

Given that dental amalgam contains mercury, it's probably not a great idea, even if it proved to be hard and robust enough. Although the mercury is very strongly bonded by the other metal in the mixture, and does not leach out at normal temperatures (it would not be safe to use otherwise) I suspect it might be released at the very high temperatures experienced when doing heavy cutting. Mercury vapour is * extremely* toxic.

David

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David Littlewood

The only dental amalgam I'm familiar is one made with approximately

50% mercury, 327% silver, tin and copper. This amalgam is not particularly hard. I imagine what you encountered is either a ceramic or a resin that is maybe filled with some type of ceramic. Ask the dentist what is used, I'm curious. Eric
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etpm

snipped-for-privacy@whidbey.com on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:48:46 -0700 typed in uk.rec.models.engineering the following:

less see, half mercury and the other "three hundred twenty seven percent" is silver tin and copper. Collapsed to fit the spec, no doubt. B-)

What did they use to say "Ninety percent of this game is half mental."

tschus pyotr

Yes, I am sure it was a typo. A one in a million chance, which works out in reality to nine out of ten times.

-- pyotr filipivich Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for, where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.

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pyotr filipivich

My guess is that you were trying to snip the metal peg used to anchor the filling to the tooth. I don't what metal is used, but it needs to be strong and resistant to corrosion so titanium would not be unreasonable.

Cliff Coggin.

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Cliff Coggin

I had a good firend many years ago who was a dental technician. He offered to lost wax cast some wheels for me in left over metal from his day job. I asked what machining allowances he would leave and he said none, since the castings would be spot on, and my machine tools wouldn't touch it in any case. :-)

Jim.

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Jim Guthrie

The answer to your question is NO:

  1. Dental amalgam is a prescription only product provided only to dentists
  2. It has to be mixed from alloy powder and mercury liquid in an appropriate machine with safeguards in case of mercury spillage.
  3. Dental amalgam is brittle with a high compressive strength but weak in thin section, and certainly no good for cutting hard substances.
  4. Mercury vapour is released (in tiny amounts) when it is abraded or cut.
  5. It can be easily cut with diamond burs or tungsten carbide burs
  6. Someone else posted that the sharp edge may have been a threaded retention pin for the filling. This may be true in which case it is most likely titanium.
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1955phe

In article , snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com writes

All good points except 1 - anyone with some mercury can make it by mixing with the appropriate powdered metals. Maybe not as safely as you describe, but...

David

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David Littlewood

In article , JimGuthrie@?.?.invalid writes

This would not be amalgam, it would almost certainly be the metal used for making crowns.

David

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David Littlewood

It is. I'm surprised that dentists are still using amalgam - nasty to prepare/use and nasty to remove, potentially nasty for the recipient, and (in my experience at least) the modern composites are way more durable. When I moved to Manchester (~20 years ago) theer were no dentists nearby signing on NHS patients so I went private - over a period of a couple of years the dentist removed all of my amalgam fillings & relpaced them with composite and a couple of crowns. With the old fillings I usually expected a couple of them to need replacing at each visit; since the amalgam fillings were removed I have had maybe 2 composite fillings repaired/replaced in ~20 years. Doesn't say much for the resilience of amalgam as a potential machining material to me.

As others have suggested, sounds like the hard/sharp bit was a peg of some kind.

Regards, Tony

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Tony Jeffree

No, quite serious, one of those times when armchair musings might just advance the art of machinig.

Actually, amalgam was probably the wrong word, as I do not think that mercury is involved. Whatever is the compound, some form of ceramic or maybe epoxy, ISTR the he sets if off using UV light.

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gareth

Given time, I'll get back to you, but I'm on 9-month checkup intervals so might be some time.

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gareth

It was definitely what the dentist had teased out to prevent there being a ridge on the top of the tooth, and was flush with the rest of the tooth, except the bit that had broken away underneath.

Moral: Go easy on the pork crackling!

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gareth

I too have had a problem with this, it's ok to put mercury in our body, but not landfill.

The reason is simple. It's down to the dental profession having a state sponsored pricing strategy.

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Mike Perkins

Mercury vapour is quite toxic, but mercury liquid is not absorbed to any great extent. The amount in a set of fillings isn't going to do you a lot of harm. As to the longevity of amalgam fillings, I will admit that I finally had to have one partially ground out and replaced this year. Damn thing had barely lasted 41 years :-(. I suspect that a lot of the replacement of amalgam and most of the replacement by composite is driven by the per unit pricing model of dentistry. I'm _so_ glad we're back on the NHS. I got really sick of paying £200/year to get my teeth cleaned!

Mark Rand RTFM

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Mark Rand

Sounds like a composite filling material in that case...from Wiki:

"As with other composite materials, a dental composite typically consists of a resin-based oligomer matrix, such as a bisphenol A-glycidyl methacrylate (BISGMA) or urethane dimethacrylate (UDMA), and an inorganic filler such as silicon dioxide (silica). Compositions vary widely, with proprietary mixes of resins forming the matrix, as well as engineered filler glasses and glass ceramics. The filler gives the composite wear resistance and translucency. A coupling agent such as silane is used to enhance the bond between these two components. An initiator package (such as: camphorquinone (CQ), phenylpropanedione (PPD) or lucirin (TPO)) begins the polymerization reaction of the resins when external energy (light/heat, etc.) is applied. A catalyst package can control its speed."

So it is basically a resin with a powdered mineral/glass/ceramic filler.

Regards, Tony

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Tony Jeffree

So, it's back to square one, and can we obtain / use it for synthesizing our own ceramic inserts?

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gareth

Well I suppose you could do if you are prepared to invest the months or even years required to develop a material of sufficient hardness and strength to cut steel, and then form it very accurately to the shape required; but I wonder why you would want to given the widespread availability and relative cheapness of commercial inserts.

Cliff Coggin.

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Cliff Coggin

Actually in a sense it's more the other way round, but close enough (the filler is nano-scale, and joins itself up, kinda, a bit like PVA-and-water glue).

No, composite filling materials are softer than eg amalgam, and nowhere near as hard as eg HSS, never mind ceramic insert materials which are orders of magnitide harder and more wear resistant.

We tend to think of filling materials as being hard and strong and wear-resistant, as compared to the rest of our bodies they are; but compared to engineering materials they aren't really - eg gold alloy is often considered the best structurally, and that isn't in the same class as the better engineering alloys.

As for engineering insert materials, they are much stronger and harder and more wear resistant still.

Also the organic portion (the methacrylate bit) of a composite filling wouldn't withstand more than a couple hundred degrees centigrade, whereas an insert is required to withstand many hundreds, a thousand, or more.

-- Peter Fairbrother

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Peter Fairbrother

If you can snip it with side cutters, it isn't as hard as insert material. Not even close.

-- Peter Fairbrother

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Peter Fairbrother

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