Advice for a student

How about a bit of homework for some of us in this newsgroup? Since you are
bored with simply looking at the computer display, why not locate the
Robotics software Microsoft has developed for people to learn the basics of
robotics programming and  control. Then report back to us with your
impressions from a novice' point of view?

Thanks for the suggestion. I downloaded and set everything up last
night and found some tutorials to go through, so I'll look at those
probably Saturday when I hopefully have free time. I think I'll try
the simulations, and if I like that maybe I should get a Mindstorms
kit off eBay to play around with.

Are you a senior in college or high school ?

If you get into Robotics Research there's still going to
be a LOT of staring at a computer screen, I would think.

However, maybe that's just the case with the particular jobs you've
been at. I've been a software guy for over 20 years, and have had both
incredibly boring jobs and incredibly exciting ones. Come to think of it,
the ones I've had the most fun at are the ones that involved "field work".


Talk to your professors about your concerns about getting into a
decent school. What school system are you currently in ?

Sounds like you need to do some more research into the requirements
of what you perceive to be a more appealing area. To go and choose
another school, course of study, etc., based on "... surely be some
programming involved ... " seems to be putting a lot on the line
based on a mere assumption. Go find out for sure - don't just assume!


Why do you think you need to improve on your math skills ? I'm not
saying you do or don't - just trying to get you to answer that question
for yourself. I have personally been there and done that. Eventually I went
back and took some calculus courses even though I had already done so
and had earned my degree. But after a few years of wisdom & experience
had sunk into my brain, the material wasn't near as difficult as when I was
first exposed to it.

If you're concerned about your GPA, a little bit of experience will go
a long way toward balancing that out. I have discovered this first hand
over the past few years. You might even want to just work full time for
a year and then go back to school.

Keep doing more research. Ask 1000 more questions. You're on the right
track!

Sincerely,
JCDeen

I'm a senior in college.


Yea, "field work," moving around (less confinement to a chair or
single spot), and more in-person communication is attractive to me.


I've set up an appointment for tomorrow.


You're right. So I drew up a possible plan for the next few years. I
found this link -- http://www-scf.usc.edu/~csci445/  -- which has a
syllabus, and that lists the books they use in the course. I wonder
how much I could get out of reading books and asking questions on
Usenet as opposed to being in an actual classroom setting. Maybe I
should read a few of these books.

I'm interested in robotics, but (if after a while I am still
interested) I don't know whether I want to make it my career or just a
hobby. hmmm.... Not sure whether, if I go went back to school, I would
want to take a full load or just one or two courses a semester (just
thinking outload).

I've done a little research, and I've read that there are a number of
problems related to autonomy and intelligence which have not been
solved. This interests me more than doing things for some company that
deep down I don't really care about (that could burn me out). I wonder
if I'd need a full degree to do this (help solve problems) or whether
I could just pick and choose courses/subjects.


I took Calculus but struggled through it. Pre-calculus was difficult,
too. Same with Trig. I understand Trig pretty well. I think a good
starting place for me may be college algebra. I'm lacking in a lot of
the basics. Yea, I think the wisdom/experience thing applies with me
as well...I'm sure I'd do better if I had a focus (robotics).


It looks like USC would probably take me if I could convey a high
level of interest to them.

It wasn't until a few years after I got my undergrad degree that I realized
that there was something that was always tripping me up during the tests
even though I managed to get most of the coursework and comprehension right.
So when I decided to pursue a 2nd degree I humbled myself and went back and
took pre-calc as a night class as a sort of Calculus Review. I aced it ...
until one time I got test results back and the professor was very surprised
at a very basic mistake I had made. That's when I discovered I had been
making that same kind of mistake my entire college career: I had been
balancing
equations by arbitrarily dividing both sides by functions. From that point
on I aced the rest of pre-calc, and went on to ace Calc I and Calc II when
I retook them, which I had previously barely gotten grades of C in.

In PreCalc, Calc I and II (the 2nd time around) I had gained enough maturity
and experience to ask questions like crazy if I didn't understand
something --- there was almost always someone else in the same boat who
didn't want to speak up. The hardest part about doing this after being in
the working world for a while was allocating the time and discipline to do
the homework and study after a full day at the office when all I really
wanted to do was come home and watch TV or go have a beer with some buds or
whatever. But the added experience and maturity went a long way. The comfort
of already having my degree helped also --- my goal was to *learn* the
calculus stuff.

Anyway, just a long story to demonstrate that you are not the only one to
have
ever been in your current situation. Keep shooting for the stars and you
will
get where you want to go - even if you don't know the road there yet.
JCD

Yes, you have a dilemma  on your hands. Graduate with a BS in CIS, and
you are financially set. You could easily be in the mid-sixties,
seventies, or even higher starting salary. Switch fields, and you
won't graduate, because you won't have enough hours in the required
field. So first, I'd say, stay the course, and graduate with your
current major.

If you want to change, do it as a graduate student. On the other hand,
you might be able to add a minor. Or extend and get a dual major. If
you add something like EE, Physics, or Industrial Tech, you'll be even
more marketable.

If your interest is research, a BS won't do it for you anyway. Your
GPA isn't stellar. (You've got to get really honest with yourself and
ask yourself why. Could you have done better? And can you hold up in a
grad program where the competition factor goes up by a factor of 10?)
So graduate school might be difficult to gain admittance. But if you
want to move to research, it will be difficult to get a spot without
advanced degrees.

If you aren't burdened with outside obligations, like a wife or kids,
a great way might be to go ahead and graduate with the CIS degree, get
the job, then do graduate school at night. Not many people can really
handle the dual pressure, but it is a way if you can.

So far, robotics is not a high paying field, and there aren't that
many jobs. However with the congressional mandate that 1/3 of all
military vehicles will be unmanned by 2015, the future prospects are
hot.

I'm both teaching and attending graduate school using a video
conferencing setup at a school 800 miles away from here. Plus I have
my regular job doing NMI (at least at the moment, if the wheels don't
fall off). The university would like to hire me to run a proposed
robotic research center. But they really can't pay much without my
having advanced degrees, even though I have decades of practical
experience. So I'm in a masters program myself right now pulling down
a 4.0 so far. My undergrad GPA was worse than yours. So I was admitted
on a probational basis.

--
Randy M. Dumse
www.newmicros.com
Caution: Objects in mirror are more confused than they appear.

Thanks for the response.


Oh, I'll definitely be finishing the CIS major. It's my future career
that I was addressing here.


I could have done better, yes, if I had had more focus and motivation
about the things I was studying.

I have little to no experience or knowledge in the robotics field
currently, but I have high interest and motivation (again, I'm going
to verify this by doing some preliminary research before moving
forward with any schooling).

Since I lack experience/knowledge in robotics, then if I wanted to
participate in research efforts, would it be a good idea for me to
enroll in and complete a second degree (robotics; after I have my CIS
degree), and THEN move onto grad school? Maybe undergrad school would
be a way to verify that I would be able to do well in grad school with
this new major.


Wow, that's awesome. I'm glad we're moving forward.

Certainly. Take it as a challenge. You have one more semester before
the potential of graduating. Enroll in a beginning Physics, EE, or
Mechanical course if you've got any room for optional courses. Start
with the intent of ace'ing it. If you can't, don't bother continuing
as an undergrad. Get in an advanced CIS program, and go straight to
grad school.

Or go to work, and start bringing those big bucks home. Choose your
job carefully, so you get closer to the hardware. Find a job where you
work closely with a EE or other engineer. The exposure will be very
beneficial. After 6 months out, you can decide if you want to move
closer to his type of job, or away from it. Then consider grad school
in the direction that fits best.

Remember if you go to work, don't change your life style. Put that
money away. Or pay off your existing loans. if you get an expensive
new car, move into fancy quarters, in general loosen up the financial
strings, your ability to go back to being a student will be all the
harder.

--
Randy M. Dumse
www.newmicros.com
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