February 2, 2007, 11:13 pm
Robots might use servo motors or even solenoids , but there
is a much better way , but it is not easy to empliment ,
mechanically .
Your old VW had a Beilstein jack .
Using springs and the above method to quickly
lock movement , in a robot , can be impressive .
We have all seen the Honda robot . Maybe they use
this methodology , i dont know .
very large solenoids and very fast locking , can
give very fast and accurate response .
Solenoids must be driven with efficient "buck"
regulators . They are oscillating types ,
the bipolar transistor is driven by the same coil
that it is driving .
They approach 95% eff '
They can deliver a 25 amp pulse in microseconds
You could create PWM , with them .
They are so fast , if an arm had such a drive ,
you could maybe teach your robot to "box"
( as a pugilist .)
The springs are what improve the efficiency .
if you had no springs to store this quick energy ,
then you circuit must waste energy "controlling"
Common buck regulators , waste drive to the
bipolar transistor , but my circuit adds another
winding to drive the base of B' T' .
The free running freq is above 400 Khz .
This means , when you enable it , the B' T'
turns on very fast and then saturates the core
and shuts down , but it starts up again , since its
an oscillator .
The simple control pulls the coil to ground
and "sets" the output DC voltage .
This circuit is far simpler and safer than even
the LM494 used in IBM PC pow supplies ,
because it saturates the ferrite core .
But there is no future for the old
non-saturating core , I.C. controlled ,
pow supplies .
even in Flour' lites , they dumped
the controller I.C. and instead osc' it
and saturate the core .
Emmiter is output , so the base drive coil ,
can fully saturate the B'T' , wastes less heat ..
If you try to store energy in air , you will
waste too much heat .
Springs work well , dont get hot .
The next problem is , compound eyes .
I remember seeing a I.C. that had a array
a hole cut in the top of an early DRAM memory .
Re: Why dont Robots use energy storage ?
[Snipped alot of stuff about various mechanical kinetics]
Soon there will come a time when we will all have to review our
general understanding about energy.
Batteries for example don`t store energy, but chemical reactions.
Springs don`t (as such either), the metal molecules are only
attempting to locate to their preferred positions.
What we are actually attempting to do is transfer these abnormalities
into something which we can use.
A really clever Robot could lift several times its own weight by utilising
levers around it for example, or even power itself by manually (and
far more laboriously than a Human would want to endeavour) seperate
Chemical components for futher reactions...
...although your question has grammatical loops, it could be phrased more
acutely!
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Ashley Clarke
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Re: Why dont Robots use energy storage ?
I am an engineer , i make stuff happen , so
i dont need to
"learn nor "understand" about energy "
as you are clearly struggling to do .
I dont teach , nor talk about , i do .
I dont need to translate stuff to my left
brain to teach others .
I just do , i make it work better than other
people .
My purpose is to "spark" others , not
to teach .
Is that what you thought this NG is for ?
To be acute , or accurate or proceedural
or "popular" ?
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Batteries for example don`t store energy
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I understand your problem , you cant do
stuff , so you gotta redefine words and
books , so you can get some
Luddite / Liberal credit ,
but still not "do" it .
You can't do anything ..
What a sad life .
I have invented much new stuff , its a
real thrill , to know the world has very high
demand for what i do ..
im old , but when i was young , i grabbed
all the new , in hi demand stuff and put it
my head . Every one of those improvements
was "regulated" by the US Government .
Take the stupid telephone wires goin to
our houses .
Do you know that govt has held us in the
dark ages for 40 years !!
We should have trashed those 3khz
wires 40 years ago , but for the Government
forcing us to stay behind ....
Our government attacks inventors ,
with patents ! Inventors want to get their
stuff into the hands of 100's of millions
of consumers , but the G' stops them !!
We would have had CATV in all homes
in 1970 !! Thus killing the advertizing
"lobby"/ PAC . No commercials ,
just great media , you get what you pay for .
In fact the cable hanging on the poles
in Corona De Tucson , rotted for 14 years
because the govt regulated that company
to NOT transmit its rightful "business"
to those customers !
14 years .... Crooks .....
Sell-outs , just like you ..
Re: Why dont Robots use energy storage ?
The new Thomas Edison!
One more filter to my outlook...
Re: Why dont Robots use energy storage ?
Actually, the Honda robots don't use mechanical energy
storage in their drive system.
There are robots that do; look up "flexible robotics" and
read Raibert's "Legged Robots that Balance". Considerable
work has been done on mechanical energy storage, mostly
at MIT, McGill, and to some extent at Stanford.
Read up on the history of legged running robots.
John Nagle
Re: Why dont Robots use energy storage ?
CAUTION: werty is a troll, he has infected the .arm and .forth groups,
and now has his eyes on .robotics.misc. Best to just ignore his
lunatic rantings, or simply kf him.
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Looks like it by not taking on another individuals perspective and
compromising.
But he has a good point about getting things to work in the real world.
Some of us are far too poor or slaving to actually do what we want and
eventually
become bitter Trolls ourselves!
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Ashley Clarke
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Re: Why dont Robots use energy storage ?
Robots havent advanced , if they are to advance
we will use energy conservation and short
time storage , as i suggested in my first
post .
My ppl have trouble , when they take their
head out of a coll text book .
All they can do is copy , and scream for
credit , reading that book .
The first rule is compressed air is
not workable , and spring over oil
is not fast , it works fine at low speed .
Im working on software to nix C/C++
and Linux and all the other , bloat
s/w .
Its so clean and structured , needs no
manuals . You learn it from a non-text
keyboard in minutes .
Code is separate from data and
interupts are always disabled and
its multi-tasking kernel is tiny ,
and layered .
It loads debugger/dis-assembler first ,
so there is never an excuse .
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