Strange chimney on GWR

damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk writes

Great Western Railroad ? (on the box)

If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, it describes it as having
a spark arresting chimney.  Did these exist in real life ?  (one for
uk.railway)


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I am no expert (or great fan) of the Greasy, Wet and Rusty but have seen
photographs of pannier tanks with this - apparently - unusual chimney. While
not entirely sure, I am reasonably confident that this is some form of spark
arrestor fitted to locomotives which tended to be used where the (usually)
branch line ran regularly through a heavily wooded area. I hope this helps,
and feel sure that somebody with a greater knowledge of the GWR will make a
more meaningful contribution to the debate in due course.

David Costigan.
 

On Wed, 02 May 2012 18:49:55 +0100, damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


Several GWR panniers of various classes were fitted with
spark-arresting chimneys to operate around Royal Ordnance explosive
factories.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60631240@N02/6314754840 /

On Wed, 02 May 2012 11:55:20 -0700, Christopher A. Lee


Thanks,and to others who replied. Apologies to dealer though I doubt
he reads here.
The real thing looks fairly strange but that one on the model looks
really terrible.  Often wondered if Far Eastern produced Brass is
often worth the price it seems to fetch . Sometimes it is the only way
to get a rare prototype and that can  be valid reason but  it is
usually North American equipment. And  a lot is left unpainted which
may show off the workmanship. OTOH I believe many mechanisms are bit
crude by today's standards. If it going to be left as an ornament on
the shelf that may not matter but for stock on a working layout it
might.  The UK market hasn't seen anything like as many ,possibly
because most UK modelers want a finished Model and most things can be
built from other sources anyway at less cost.
That model featured looks a lot to pay for a typical GWR Tank
especially with that chimney which looks it has been bashed from an
air gun pellet.
If was of something like a Broad gauge Iron Duke then I may be swayed.

G.Harman

On Wed, 02 May 2012 20:18:18 +0100, damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


"RTR Brass" imported some OO GWR engines into the UK from both Don
Jing (a small prairie tank) and Samhongsa (the Pannier) in the late
1970s.

I had the prairie which I bought from M.G.Sharp in Sheffield. It
wasn't very good and was a bad runner - they had adapted the American
pickup system to a British 2-6-2 tank engine. The driving wheels were
insulated on one side and the trailing wheels on the other, but there
wasn't enough weight or springing on the pony trucks to maintain good
contact.

There were some rather glaring errors. If you know the GWR outside
cylinder engines there is a vacuum pump driven from the right hand
crosshead. This means the right and left crossheads are different from
each other. It had the cylinder for the pump, but a wire soldered at
an angle to the top of the motion bracket and the wrong crosshead.

It was badly assembled too - some of the beading around the cab
separated and I didn't have the soldering skills to repair it.
 
I had also ordered a regular pannier tank with a normal chimney direct
from the importer but it never arrived. I have seen some, but I
suspect this was round about the time they stopped trading.

Again, there were rather obvious errors - like checker plate above
where the coal should be!

More were planned including O-gauge but never materialised.

It was a brave attempt but the market wasn't ready yet in the UK.

Digging into the recesses of my memory, the two instances I can recall of
ex-GWR pannier tanks in service with spark arresting chimneys were:-
1. On what had been the Cleobury Mortimer and Ditton Priors Light Railway.
During WW2 the Navy built a large ordnance depot near Ditton Priors
(Shropshire) and initially the GWR supplied a locomotive to work this line.
A pannier tank was fitted with a spark arresting chimney for this work. By
the end of this lines existence, the Navy had drafted in a  MOD diesel to do
this work
2. The other location that I have seen evidence of a spark arresting chimney
fitted pannier tank working was on the 'Vinegar Branch' in Worcester City.
This was a line that left the main Worcester locomotive running shed
complex, and then descended towards various industries nearer to the City
centre.  I think that due to the ferocious climb back up to the main line,
this type of chimney locomotive was used to lessen the impact on the
locality.
It may well be that it was the same locomotive on both occasions.



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On Sun, 6 May 2012 19:54:24 +0100, "Keith Patrick"


There are plenty pf photographs out there of different engines from
different classes fitted with them, and they also had them at ROF
Didcot as well as ROF Ditton Priors.

For example here is 1661, of the small 1600 class , at Worcester
http://www.miac.org.uk/mickrock3.htm

Here's 2021 class 2144 on the Cleobury Mortimer and Ditton Priors line
<http://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/some-early-lines-cleobury-mortimer-and-ditton-priors-light-railway/ex-gwr-0-6-0pt-no-2144/

Thirteen of the 57xx/8750 class had them.

Here's 5774 at Didcot (originally posted by Eric)
http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/archive/image.htm?img=CH00174&jpg=CH00174.jpg&srch=&page=0

A couple of the outside framed 1076 (Buffalo) class had them.

I seem to remember the two outside framed pannier tanks bult from the
Manning Wardles originally purchased by the Cleobury Mortimer and
Ditton Priors Railway also had them but I couldn'y find any
photographs.


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