about newbie welders....

No, Nathan. aka hardcoreicon, alt.atv

I am the one who had words with you because you said very derogatory things about my deceased father, who was a World War II hero. He was a sargent and a flight engineer in the United States Air Corps. You also said many derogatory things about servicemen in general.

Took you long enough to remember. I find it ironic that you speak so much about your abilities and experiences on military bases, and yet have so much negative venom to spout about servicemen. Particularly dead ones who gave their lives to insure YOUR freedom and rights. And now you make money off them.

You have toned down your rhetoric from one of your first posts here where you inadvertently left in a derogatory remark relating to a "bitch Jeffrey" and shot yourself in the foot. I noticed you went away for a while and now are back.

Whatever you want, Nathan, aka hardcore icon. I'll bet you are a great weldor. You certainly have the ego for it. Who else but an egomaniac would post their cert on the Internet? And you already know everything taboot. Too bad you weren't smart enough to know that you couldn't use the name "Jeep" for your own personal gain. Must have stung when the real "Jeep" made you cease and desist.

Have a great day, Nathan. Sorry, hardcore icon.

Google doesn't lie.

Steve

Or, you could call a professional. Professional Engineer, that is. Side loading eyebolts are straightforward to design, so long as you get them designed.

I will agree that most eyes are designed for straight tensile load only. So... back to the original point -the smart amateur weldor will have a "pro" check things first.

Rich

you think _i_ am "hardcore icon"? youre joking, right? i suggest you compare the headers in our messages sometime before you accuse me of being someone else. he is clearly in new york and i am clearly in north carolina.

dude, i have _never_ said _any_ about your deceased father.

i have _never_ said _anything_ negative about servicemen in general. i was in the army too steve.

i had no idea you though i was hardcore icon. youre so off base there its not even funny.

dude, that is NOT ME.

learn to compare headers steve. when youre done, ill accept your apology.

the poster asked the difference, i supplied the answer. from your posts, your disdain for certification is clear. whats wrong steve, you flunked or something?

exactly! put up or shut up steve. go to google and show me what incriminates me. as i said, once you learn how to read a message header and tell the difference from one person to another, ill accept your apology. but i dont expect you to do that.

its also nice to see that you base your "factual" advice to others on your personal feelings. even if i hated you i wouldnt pass off bad information to others just to keep from agreeing with you. now go to google, the learning experience will be good for you and maybe even serve to clean the air in here.

I hope I did not offend anyone, especially experienced and careful welders. My point was just to say that many trailers are probably welded by not very experienced production line welders. Most new welders, especially the ones that take the time to frequent a website devoted to welding, are probably very conscientious about safety and weld quality.

I take it seriously enough to devote alot of time to learning as most people do here. I think the concern is valid, however, if we are killed or injured on the highway, the chances are that it will be by something other than a newby's trailer.

Well, Nathan .......... errrrr hardcore icon ............ errrrrr whatever name you are using today:

When I go to Google and enter hardcore icon, Nathan W. Collier, and hardcorejeep in the same search, I come up with all sorts of posts with the name Nathan W. Collier, hardcore icon, and hardcorejeep appearing in the SAME article.

Must be some OTHER Nathan W. Collier, huh? It is not necessary to post any of those articles here, as they are available to anyone who knows how to use Google.

I have seen your adolescent behavior in alt.atv, listened to your rants, and listened to you boringly refer to yourself in the third person long enough. Is hardcore icon the alter ego of Nathan?

You ARE the weakest link. I have exposed you and now am done with you. You may go.

PLONK

I hope you are a better weldor than you are a liar.

Steve, who doesn't like anyone dissing a dead US serviceman.

im sorry steve....i really am......but you are an idiot. look at the ip's in the headers and run them through samspade.org. youll find that hardcore icon is in NEW YORK and i am in NORTH CAROLINA.

i have had many discussions with hardcore icon. i respond to his messages quoting him and he resonds to mine doing the same. of COURSE they come back in the same article during a search. look at the headers of the posted messages steve. im giving you the power of final resolve and in your bitterness you totally fail to see whats so blatently right in front of your face.

youre hopeless steve.

its to bad that steve doesnt get his facts straight first, and even worse that you let it affect the validity of your advice here. youre holding me responsible for the actions of another and in blind hatred you dont even recognize your own level of ignorance. i have never spoken poorly of any serviceman, dead or alive steve. my problems have never been with servicemen (was one myself). no, i dont think we had any business in viet nam. no, i dont think a government has the right to snatch our children from their homes and ship them off 10,000 miles to die in a war thats not even our own. thats not a problem with the serviceman steve, as every man that was there (you included) should be honored. my problem is with the government steve.....the government that put you (and others) in harms way. my dad was a retired air force pilot and viet nam veteran. before graham rudman killed the funding, my dad was a viet nam veterans counsellor at the local veterans center. i spent a lot of time with him at the vet center and came to know many of the veterans quite well. i dont know exactly what torments you steve, but i do know that help is available and i can only hope that youll seek it. hate in your heart will eventually consume you (if it hasnt already). best of luck steve.

hopefully youll eventually realize that im not the one who made those comments. when you do, you dont even need to apologize. just stick out a virtual handshake, or maybe even just try being "nice".

now, back to welding.

Yet most of those newbie weldors are also playing as newbie engineers. Good intentions and lots of 110v mig do not make sound design.

One is too many.

"Nathan Collier" wrote

You and "hardcore icon" are two of the same ilk. After following alt.atv long enough to give up on it, I realized that. Whether you are one in the same person posting from different locations through networking is irrelevent. I have read both of your postings, and they are remarkably the same. Even your postings to this group in the past contained profanity and icon-like writings you inadvertently sent, and that you had to go back and apologize for.

Icon is a nutcase, and whether he is a sockpuppet alterego for another or a true living person does not matter. A man is known by the company he keeps. And evil flourishes when good men sit by and do nothing. If you are such a good soldier, why didn't you chime in when "icon" was dissing my deceased US serviceman father? You were an active participant in the newsgroup at that time. Where I come from, one soldier comes to the aid of another who is being attacked. Maybe it is different in your neck of the woods.

So, for the benefit of peace, and to end an endless argument, out goes the proverbial hand. Nothing changes in my attitude towards you or towards the ethereal "icon", but in the interest of peace and this being Thanksgiving and all .............

Steve

any time i make a mistake or hurt someones feelings without meaning to, i will always apologize for it. thats the kind of person i am.

there are all types on the internet steve, and i _try_ to get along with everyone. that doesnt mean i agree or disagree with them, just that i try to get along.

you didnt seem to require any defending, as you were doing a fine job of it on your own. i dont like to enter into flame wars, and hate being drug into them.

hopefully that to will change in time. happy thanksgiving steve, and everyone else.