Harbor Freight Tools' Quality

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Any way to tell from a brand name which of the tools in Harbor Freight are
quality?

Chicago Electric - obviously crap. Is this a Harbor Freight brand?

What about Central Machinery? There are a lot of these machines in their
catalogs, but I know nothing about them.

Harbor Freight also sells the occasional Dewalt, so I know they sell some
good stuff.

Which brands are the crappy Harbor Freight brands? I want to make sure I
don't mistakenly get them unless my boat is in need of a new anchor.



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The answers are yes, no, definitely, and maybe.

It all depends on what you are going to use the tool for.  I would not buy
any of their welding stuff, but I do buy grinding wheels, gloves, and small
items like wire brushes.  I bought their bandsaw and like it for what it is,
what it cost, and what it does.  For tools that one uses rarely or only
occasionally, they are a bargain.

Example:  I needed a long tape to measure some property.  I couldn't find
anything over 100' that didn't cost an arm and a leg.  I found one that was
165' long, made of some sort of fabric or mesh, and was $10 on sale.  I have
used it a couple of times, and it's still good.

I have bought their impact wrenches, air chisels, and air grinders, and all
are still functioning from occasional use.

If a tool is going to see hard use, I usually buy brand names, but I have
bought a tool for a specific job, and figured it into the cost of the job,
had it pay for itself, then last long past the job's end.

Definitely stay away from the welders and plasma cutters.

MHO, YMMV

Steve



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their hand tools and air tools worked okay for me, but their electric
tools were all unsuitable for regular use.

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Sorry to hear that you have had problems.  I on the other hand have a
Taiwan drill press labled Chicago Industrial Tool with a motor with a
1976 date on it.  I use it in my home shop probably several times a
week.  I use my cut off saw less often, and the motor on it is newer,
1979.

                                                             Dan


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got an angle grinder from them that i needed for one purpose. for $20
I expected it to die in 24 hours. still got it a year later and have
gone thru quite a few metal cutting wheels.

but i would believe that HF is a tool junk store. since this is a
welding group I'd advise you inspect the welds on the products they
sell and compare them to yours. if you'd want quality, you ask what
the top brand is, then go to the source yourself. never seen a miller/
hobart/lincoln welder there, or SK hand tools.


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Hobart, yes indeed.

However..you will not find SK/Lincoln/SnapOn prices either..

The average homeowner can buy a set of say..1/2" drive sockets from HF
that will last him likely the rest of his life in normal use.  Not for
those that make their living everyday with sockets such as a truck
mechanic.

I find HF to be for the most part..a damned good source for lowerer end
tools that I dont want to spend mega bucks on, because I dont need them
every day, day in day out.

On the other hand..Sears.Craftsman tools aint all that great anymore
either for twice the price.  And frankly..Ive purchased HF tools that
were the same ones I inspected at Sears, with a different badge. Perfect
example..0-1" mechanical digital micrometer. HF=$35.  Sears= $119.
Same box, same manual, same everything..different badging.


Gunner

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Not all Chicago Electric is crap.  Its an item by item issue. Some of it
is surprisingly good.
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HF buys carloads..hell...shiploads of various items from various
manufactures, all of whom put the labels of the HF house brands on them.
Just as Grizzely, Busy Bee (Canada) and other discount tool places put
their own brands on the same tools from the same manufactures.

Some of the items are surprisingly good values. Some are cheap crap.
Most however..are of some value.  The HF buyers have gotten pretty good
at supplying decent or semi-decent tools to put their house brand lables
on.

You will have to be both discriminating in what you buy..hands on
inspection..and ask questions on Usenet from those who have purchased
the items in question.

HF has some suprisingly damned good deals on tools of decent quality.  

Gunner

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That's what I'm afraid of. There is a Harbor Freight store in town, but they
don't have all the sales that show up in the catalog. If I buy something
that turns to crap from the store, I can carry it back to them for a refund
or exchange. It is a lot more of a hassle if you buy it from their catalog.
Maybe the store will give a refund for things purchased in the catalog, or
maybe they won't. I've never tried.

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So, HF, Grizzely, and Busy Bee are all about the same? I saw a buddy's
Grizzely catalog some years ago, but I was under the impression that they
had high quality stuff back then. Hmmm... Certainly something to keep in
mind!

I've also noticed that the Sears Craftsman line lost its lifetime warranty
just a short time after they started selling cheaper tools. It is a shame.
It makes me wonder if their Die Hard batteries are going to crap also.



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Check sears website. The Craftsman hand tools are "Guaranteed Forever". Same
old lifetime warranty, just not on the cheap stuff...

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Clif Holland KA5IPF
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The local Harbor Freight store will honor the catalog ads and if you
find something on sale online and print it out, they will honor that
price also.  If they have the same item on hand.  

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On one end of the tool spectrum, I have Hilti, Milwaukee, Snap-On tools and
on the other end, Harbor Freight and Craftsman power tools. For price to
performance ratio, HF just can't be beat. Some of the HF tools are good you
just have to know which one. You have 30 days to decide if you want to keep
it or get your money back plus you could buy an extended warranty. The only
electrical item I had return was the plastic welder. I don't use tools like
a contractor but I use it much harder than the average homeowner - I rehab
houses.



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From what I have seen you get what you pay for there and you can get a good
deal on quality and junk. For example last timeI was in one I was lokking at
milling tables and they had 2 of comparable size but one cost about four X
the other. Guess which was junk.

Jimmie



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Something precise like a milling machine, machine lathe or a sliding miter
saw, you need to be careful with HF as the tolerance tends to be a little
sloppy. But something with a chunk of iron, brute force type like a jack
hammer, plate vibrator, hydraulic table, hydraulic pipe bender, the large
1/2" angle drill, which I have, are just fine. Just use my HF hydraulic
table this afternoon to unload couple of  400 lb. boxes from my truck - what
a life saver.



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What did you not like about the plastic welder?

TMT


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I think a website that reviewed in depth Harbor Freight tools would be
very popular.

One that would take a tool apart and show the internals...the good,
the bad and the ugly.

One that would USE a tool and see if it would hold up to usage.

One that would determine if the metal was correctly hardened

I would visit it regularly...and I think others would too.

TMT


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Me too!

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 I simply cannot seperate these "cheap" tools from their sources.
 If I were to buy a chinese tool...first I would know it was subpar,
second, I've a picture in my mind of arming a Chicom soldier with my
purchase money.

 How far America has sunk !!   I realize again....how FAR !

 I'm of the view that I'll just wait to have the money to buy a few
really good American tools that will last a lifetime of hard use,
rather than buy mounds of crapola.

 When you buy something....you're VOTING for more than just a product
 anymore. You're voting for a whole culture, a country...
 That's just the way it is....

 Just look at the MASSES of Chinese goods we've got here now.
 I marvel at how busy they are...I'll give them that.
 But doesn't it strike you....they don't care ! They don't understand
"quality".
 One questions whether Americans do anymore....but we used to.
 I'm just old enough to remember when we did.

 When did we fall for the MASS mentality.
 Being American used to mean owning a few good neccesary things that
lasted a lifetime...no crap....no extras....heck to hoard things used
to be a sign of the effete.

 John Wayne...riding across the American West with everything he owned
on his horse...that's the ideal...THAT'S freedom....that's American.

 Oh a Chinese tool may have infiltrated my tool box but I say say hell
no to non-American goods !!!

 Who's with me !!!????


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No one is.  I am old enough to have heard this same speech when it was Made
in Japan, now, no one will even believe that this was once true.
Manufacturing rolls down hill.  Cost trumps _everything_ else.  Sorry...


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