I use HPC'S MasterKing and find it very user friendle and very
> i just came accross it and need a masterkey program, wondering what was out
> there that people are happy with other than the very expensive promaster ?
I got to work on a MK system designed by another fellow with a
program. I met the fellow once, and he was so pleased with his
computer program. He set up a system for a motel with about 10
units, and every chamber had a master wafer. I mentioned MK two
or three chambers (before I knew much about hold and vary). He
kept saying "that's how it came off the computer".
I finally walked away from one job. The cylinders were drilled
with deepest 6-depth. The MK system went down to 9. The lockies
on this board will know what goes wrong when your cylinders go
down to 6 and your MK system goes down to 9.
Out of interest, what is the minimum number of master wafers that
should be used. One wafer would suffice for a 10 unit motel, even with
5 pin cylinders, but I would feel happier using at least two, and to
try and avoid any change keys differing on one pin only, or if it does
the difference is more than 2.
That's an interesting technical question. I could make a 10
change MK system with one master wafer. Dunno, never gave that a
lot of thought. You'd want to make it less likely for tenants to
jiggle keys to work.
I have never heard of any defined minimum number, but remember that the
more master pins you put in, the more possible shearlines you create.
I set up a two-level system a few years ago-18 units with one
master.Most had only 2 or three master pins in them at the most, and I
trashed the ones that used #1 pins-get jammed too easy or wear too
quick.Kept the diffs up to 2 steps.
Two works, in many cases. I did a MK in a factory where someone
had filed and ground the plugs. I ended up making a 4-step, and
even then I could jiggle a couple of the keys to get em to work
in different doors. I hope they never find out.
"Stormin Mormon" <email@example.com> wrote
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if that would be the case ?
for us to do the job,
they would have had to replace the plugs or call someone
So it is in effect a trade-off between the risk of jiggling (especially
in a small suite such as a mom and pop motel) and minimisation of
shear-lines. Seems like at least 2 master wafers minimum should be
Unlike planning a masterkey system by the numbers, where everything is
'black and white', I would agree that there are no definitive answers
to queries such as the minimum number of master wafers, whether to use
two or three level steps etc.
It would seem that in a large GMK system, the probability of someone
finding that one change key could jiggle another lock would be slight,
although it would be problematical if one SMK was known to be capable
of jiggling locks under a different SMK. Hence if softwarei used to
generate a GMK system, then the SMK combinations should be carefully
checked, and if need be set by hand (assuming the software allows
this). It is apparent that for a very small system, software could
well generate a rather inapt system with a very high risk of users
finding that ome key can 'jiggle' other locks, and Murphy's Law will
decree that the lock on the most 'sensitive' door is the one most prone
"Stormin Mormon" <email@example.com> wrote
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doesn't matter if they only wanted one.
it shouldn't have cost them much to replace the bad
so the job could be done correctly.
if you could, as you stated,
"jiggle a couple of the keys to get em to work in different
because of filed plugs ?
the cylinders needed to be replaced.
local car dealer called-their 'security' personnel, made a goof
up, and wanted me to bid on rekeying the entire place.. a Y4
I bid it high JUST BECAUSE I already seen the situation within
some of the plugs..
pins UPSIDE DOWN??? right..
might not be that bad...
I'd start off using the correct Yale key not the gmk version bypassing any
sectional keyway... that'll at least take away any sloppiness to the key.
and + it's a stronger blank then the y4.
Not in Stormy's world. In Stormy's world no matter how simple a solution
exists the correct course of action is to butcher the job to the absolute
highest degree possible and then "hope they never find out". Who cares if
it's actually easier and more profitable to do it the right way? Not Chris.
It's more fun to F it up and "hope they never find out". Afterall they
aren't his locks, or air conditioners, or refrigerators, or furnaces (what's
a little CO poisoning it gives you that nice pink glow) and he really
doesn't know what the hell he is doing anyway. They want a masterkey system?
Who cares if just about every key in the system ghosts to something it
shouldn't with a little wiggling as long as "they never find out"? A POS
like Chris could care less if he actually does the job he scammed somebody
into thinking he would. Actually he prefers not to. It's more fun that way.
Maybe it's time for somebody to start forwarding his posts to the local
authorities where he lives so they can find a way to run him out of
business. You do have a sales tax ID and all that stuff right Chris? Right?
care, "Stormin Mormon" <email@example.com> wrote
God you are a worthless piece of crap. You could have told them they had a
problem and sold them new cylinders making yourself $ and solving their
problem, instead you did your usual halfass routine and left things a mess.
You probably F'ed up the plugs in the first place. I can just picture you
grinding away on them with the coarsest grinding wheel you could find. Then
giving them a couple smacks with a claw hammer for good measure. I hope
when they find out it's after a major theft or other occurence and they sue
you and take everything you have, what little that is.
PS Where is it again in that book of Mormon of yours where it commands you
to screw people over and "hope they never find out"?