All Out for Fort Stinkindesert

The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has a blowup article on California's drought in the current NYT Magazine. There's some good info there on the prospects for California businesses, large and small.

If you're interested:

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Reply to
Ed Huntress
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California gets a reality check and irony of ironies, Guv Moonbeam is leading the way!

God bless Vespucciland!

David

Reply to
David R. Birch

Well, Moonbeam or not, a multi-year drought takes no prisoners. It's a good thing that global warming is a hoax and this is all part of a natural cycle, eh? That will make the Californians feel much better about it.

Reply to
Ed Huntress

Interesting, thanks for posting. Most interesting was the pictures! Cheek-by-jowl desert and neat, green suburbia. Staggeringly absurd.

25% water reduction, except ag, which is 80% of use. So 25% of 20%; 5% of overall. 5%!! That's gonna help a lot.

Bob

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Bob Engelhardt

I heard that the 'green' party - or activist of tree huggers, if you will, went over the top and forced the massive Water dam that supplied water to northern Ca and some to Southern Ca to be drained. It was dumped into the ocean. And why ? they thought the valley it filled must have been pretty and should be returned to what it was 100 years ago. Just think the party would vaporize also ...

This was just one of the outrageous acts done by overly active environmental people. I'm an environmental type, but I don't kill my neighbors trees because he planted them there. Or burn down this or that because it wasn't here before.

I want to know when this country got the notion that a minority RULES the majority? The law states that the minority must be allowed to be heard. They were empowered to rule our lives. A few here and a few there can wreck our lives!

Mart> The New York Times, which has embarked on some new formats lately, has

Reply to
Martin Eastburn

Drought yes. The large reservoirs were drained and dumped into the ocean. The snow was slacking off 10 years ago. This next week it should snow nicely and rain below. Large series of storms are about to flood the central plain.

Mart> >

Reply to
Martin Eastburn

I don't think GW is a hoax, I suspect AGW is and, regardless, I doubt that there is much we can do about it. Our being able to change global cycles is like an ant altering the path of a glacier.

David

Whenever I read of California's woes, I can't help but think, "Ain't Karma a bitch?"

David

Reply to
David R. Birch

Yes, that full-page-width format the NY Times is experimenting with lends itself to some dramatic photos. In this case, it's a revealing perspective for those of us who haven't seen it. I was last in California last April, but I didn't get much sense of it, because I was mostly in L.A. and Sandy Eggo -- artificial worlds.

Yeah, I didn't try to follow that part.

BTW, the Times has been dabbling with new ideas for digitial publishing, and they won a Pullitzer for one especially dramatic example a couple of years ago -- "Snow Fall; The Avalanche at Tunnel Creek."

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The photos and animation are real eye-openers. This is where "long-form" journalism may be headed.

Reply to
Ed Huntress

Ask Larry. He thinks that the minority has a right to threaten government officials, elected by majorities, with guns. Maybe he can give you some insight on the minority ruling the majority.

Reply to
Ed Huntress

If it's a natural cycle, then that's probably true. But all anyone except a serious climatologist has is "suspicions." Real climatologists have, at least, probabilities.

But judging from the threads going on here, however much warming is going on, humans are at least generating a vast amount of anthropogenic wind. d8-)

That's what you get when you allow nearly unlimited development with little idea about how you're going to keep all those people, farms, and industries hydrated. Whoever drinks the last drop from the San Joaquin River should turn the lights out before he leaves.

Reply to
Ed Huntress

There was an intresting blurb on the news tonight, in an interview a rice farmer in northern CA. said he plans to sell his water alotment rather than plant rice because he could make more money in doing so. Makes me wonder if some day water will cost more than gasoline in LALA land.

Best Regards Tom.

Reply to
Howard Beal

This is the nature of Usenet.

Between Milwaukee and Waukesha to the west is the line where the Lake Michigan watershed and Mississippi watersheds meet. There is a long standing US-Canada agreement that no one can take water from the Great Lakes into other watersheds without the agreement of ALL states and provinces bordering the Great Lakes.

Waukesha is whining that they can't continue to overdevelop the area w/o Lake Michigan water. Lots of shyster billable hours already wasted, no sympathy for Waukesha. Once water flows out w/o coming back, how long before clowns want to waste it on LaLaLand?

David

Reply to
David R. Birch

When, oh when, will our elected representatives start watching out for the public (and the COUNTRY), as they are supposed to? _Farmers_ should be given _farming_ water allotments ONLY when they _farm_, damnit.

It already does. Bottled water has been more expensive than gas for years.

Reply to
Larry Jaques

If the water resources industry gets more lucrative than the Bush's beloved oil and gas crowd, then that's where the top corporate lawyers will go with their "spin".

Before long, I bet all of a sudden California will never have drought problems again.

Reply to
walter_evening

California will have endless, and growing, water shortages unless and until they start pricing water on market principles. Otherwise, they're screwed.

Reply to
Ed Huntress

Enron redux?

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Or our "Leadership" grows a pair, funds and deploys LFTR specifically for desalinization and pumping. I suggest development on the FOSS [Free and Open Source Software] GNU/GPL

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model on Gethub
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or equivalent.

For example, huge strides were made in the development and deployment of 3d printers when the patents expired and hard/soft ware development was public domain, e. g.

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[yes some people are running a

3d/3 axis (Drimel tool) router from this board in addition to orthogonal and tripod 3printers
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Reply to
F. George McDuffee

That's a treaty, not just a MOU.

Same applies to exporting Lake Erie water to Akron, the demarcation [not the right term..] is just south of Medina.

Reply to
David Lesher

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