That's more evidence that libs are motivated mainly to prove
themselves superior, and deny the hard lesson of life that they
aren't. The dangerous consequence is that they willingly accept hate,
bigotry and repression of non-believers.
On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 9:33:18 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
Jim, you're a smart guy. What is it that draws you to that bigoted right-wi
ng trash writing? The author of that piece has some serious emotional probl
ems, topped with paranoia and cherry--picking of facts. HE is the one with
a desperate need to feel superior.
I'm not looking for a long discussion. It's just that chop and swells from
Florence have driven the bluefish away from the beach, and I foolishly popp
ed into Usenet to kill time. d8-)
Jim, you're a smart guy. What is it that draws you to that bigoted
right-wing trash writing? The author of that piece has some serious
emotional problems, topped with paranoia and cherry--picking of facts.
HE is the one with a desperate need to feel superior.
I'm not looking for a long discussion. It's just that chop and swells
from Florence have driven the bluefish away from the beach, and I
foolishly popped into Usenet to kill time. d8-)
On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 2:35:22 PM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Debate"? What debate? There is no "debate." Cook is engaging in practiced
propaganda. Propagandists don'e debate. They will shift and spin and keep c
oming up with more crap, mixing in some facts to appear legitimate and lard
on the loaded, demeaning and belittling slurs to get the hatred going good
. That's the technique that was polished years ago. He has his bigoted conc
lusions all ready to go. There is no argument, no balancing. It's just war
from the propagandist's point of view.
I don't debate with people who employ the techniques of building hostility.
Note that Cook has it down pat: Start off slow, with sneers and slurs. Sli
p in some selected data points. Pile on increasingly disparaging descriptio
ns of he "others." Then dehumanize them by equating them with some historic
al monsters. And walk away while it's sinking in.
Here are the important quotes from his manifesto. Watch his technique:
"a narcissistic orgy of self-adulation"
"the slavering, semi-psychotic Facebook rant"
"the media, the left?s foot-soldiers"
"smugly satisfied of his own politically correct superiority"
"Lenin and Stalin to Mao to the Progressives of the modern era: "On ne fait
pas d?omelet sans casser des oeufs.? (You can?t ma
ke an omelet without breaking some eggs.) To the utopian statist, ?
process costs? are entirely acceptable." (oh, the murdering, sub-hu
"That is also why you see such a prevalence of cult-of-personality adulatio
n for strong leaders." (like Trump, eh?)
"Leftists hate you for the fact that you see the world as it is, rather tha
n as it should be." (who's hating here??)
"utopianism isn?t about what they think they can achieve, it?
?s about their own self-image."
Cook has studied the techniques of propaganda well. Maybe he read Eitzen?
??s 1936 piece ?Ten Responses to Jewish Lackeys?.
You don't debate propagandists. You call them out for what they are.
On 9/16/2018 2:06 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Here is from the first part of Cook's page:
My attention was recently drawn to a typical such calumny from a
Republicans hate anything that isn?t white, wealthy, and christian
at least in appearance. They hate the poor, women, and minorities.
They hate science and don?t believe that the global warming we
clearly are experiencing is man made. They hate any government
programs that help the poor and minorities, and the (sic)
particularly despise immigrants, particularly the illegal kind.
They love programs that line the pockets of oil companies, mining
companies, and are willing to export jobs with wild abandon.
They hate public education, and they despise public schools and
the public school teachers and public university professors. And
since the (sic) do not respect the market place of ideas, they
hate tenure (that gives teachers academic freedom) because it
prevents them from firing teachers who are Democrats and who might
infect some student with their liberal ideas. They want insurance
companies to make a maximum of profit, and are perfectly willing
for the health insurance companies to kill people by refusing
service to anyone that might cost them a buck more than the median
expense. They don?t care about clean food because it might cost
the food corporation a little money, and they don?t care about
clean water because cleaning up the waste will cost their precious
corporate persons a little money.
This is not a recitation of facts; it is a series of smears. It is
the construction of a giant cartoonish super-villain, made of straw
and woven together with calumny. The giant straw villain is then
publicly burned, in a narcissistic orgy of self-adulation. Of course,
the torches of the ?best? people burn the brightest.
There are two problems with Cook's screed. First, he wants to say that
everyone on the left does that. That's clearly false. Second, he is
pretending the same thing doesn't happen on the right. That's clearly
false as well, as your direct experience with Mark Wieber, Red Pecker,
the real fake "Winston_Smith", Tom Gardner, Mike Terrell, "Klaus",
#ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty and too many other right-wingnuts to count will
There are loads of left-wing Usenet morons who say nearly all of what
Cook says he got from a Facebook rant. You're not going to see them in
rec.crafts.metalworking, but you can see them daily in
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh. But you *do* see the exact right-wingnut
equivalent here, and in a.f.r-l I see numerous right-wingnuts just as
bad as Wieber, some of them even worse.
I don't claim all leftists hold the views Cook says they do, and I don't
believe all right-wingers are like Wieber. There are plenty enough of
both, though. I think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders come
awfully close to what Cook describes all leftists as being.
In Jr High shop class the old Swedish cabinetmaker taught us to cut
square and bevel with hand saws and planes to as much accuracy as we
had the patience for, with the most motivated students approaching
18th century furniture standards. The real secret was learning to
sharpen the tools properly.
The same skills were useful when I had to fit machine parts too large
to put on a milling machine.
I remember when I used to have time for stuff like that. I may someday
again once the heavy work here is done. Yesterday I got further behind
because a friend brought over some things his table saw wasn't big
enough to handle. Then we ate the cookies he brought as payment, and I
took a nap. :) Today I "had" to take a 2 hour bike ride to pick up a
part, and then spent a half hour to install it. Time flies during
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:00:03 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
LOL Is that you, Wieber? When in the great cull happening?
"There is a truly remarkable number in the most recent CNN poll,
conducted by SSRS and out this morning.
In it, 42% of Americans say President Donald Trump should be impeached
and removed from office.
What makes it remarkable is that he's on par with President Richard
Nixon, who 43% of Americans said should be impeached and removed from
office in a March 1974 Harris poll. That was after the scale of
Watergate came to light, but months before the House started to move
against Nixon, who would go on to resign in August 1974 rather than be
"New data shows Trump is a bigger election drag on his party than
Obama ever was."
Good to learn how to do it by hand before you try machines. I started
blacksmithing with no electricity. Hand-crank drill press and forge
blower. Only power tool was a bench grinder that ran off a lawn mower
engine when needed badly enough to bother starting it. Eight years on
I got a big shop, electricity, power hammer, stick welder. But I
learned a lot in 8 years.
Not to overlook working sheet metal over stakes. You can forge most
of the ones you'll need from (say, 1/2"x2") mild steel, file to final
shape. A power buffer is nice to finish them. One is enough to get
going. Once you get going, you can add to your collection by
reshaping and polishing other things. (One of mine is a RR spiking
hammer head, both ends shaped a bit and polished. Another small, thin
one is forged from a rasp because m/s wasn't quite good enough.)
If you already have a good bench vise, a tiger torch for annealing and
a bench grinder, you can go a long way. Making a really nice forging
hammer isn't a novice's project but you can make the a couple of the
hammers used for hammering the wrinkles out of raised copper vessels
as you shape them with minimal skill and good success.
I once had a guy come into the shop and look over a 16 ga. copper
sauce pan I'd made. He said, "You hid the seam really well." "No
seam", says I. "I've taught metal shop classes for 30 years and I
know how you do this. There has to be seams."
Took me 20 minutes to convince him that you can raise a cook pot or
cookie jar out of a single piece. Simple stakes, tinsmith's stake (or
any roundy-anvily-shaped iron thing) to hammer out the wrinkles, many
When I was an apprentice boy the "Apprentice Master" was an old man
(60+) and he used to relate about how his father had purchased an
apprenticeship for him and he went in the shop when he was 14 years
old - this would have been in the very late 1800's - and how 6 years
later he made his journeyman's project, a surface plate... by hand.
He said that they gave him three rough castings and told him to let
them know when the job was finished.
Since I don't make artsy stuff to sell I get away with hardwood
stakes, usually cut from oak firewood. Yesterday I turned and filed a
dome stake to round the bottom edges of the tuna cans that hold
hardware during disassemblies. Punching out the bottom removes the
springiness so things don't bounce out.
A simple round-ish depression cut in the end of a log with the tip of
a chainsaw is quite useful, to shape curved patches to weld into rusty
fenders for instance. Hammer blows smooth the rough wood
Crinkled corrugated galvanized roofing can be salvaged by hammering it
over 2" water pipe. I use a rubber or plastic hammer to preserve the
zinc, and don't try to completely flatten every wrinkle.
What is your preferred anvil height? I thought knuckle height was
correct until I took the blacksmithing class. His were at a variety of
heights, some on original metal stands. For the smallish things I made
I liked the 34" high anvil, perhaps because my eyes focus well on it.
He had one Harbor Freight anvil that served mainly to show how bad
they are by comparison.
Ancient hand-made sheet metal:
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