OT: Contact With Mars Rover "Spirit" Interrupted - "Very Serious Anomaly"

You're right about that - for interactive computing, a properly formed GUI interface with proper human factors considerations is the best thing since sliced bread. I've used damn near ALL varieties of command-line and GUI systems that made it out into the general public, and there's "horses for courses" but for general use there's no doubt that the GUI is the way to go.

But I thought you used and were a foaming-at-the-mouth Windoze supplicant. What you you know about a proper GUI interface?

Brett

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Brett Buck
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telnet

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Jerry Irvine

Just out of curiosity, what's an example of what you would consider a "proper" one?

-dave w

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David Weinshenker

Telnet's a GUI? Certainly not the client I used just 5 minutes ago...

tah

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hiltyt

You used it on a "graphics display" didn't you?

Telnet.

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Jerry Irvine

Well a tidbit - menus and pulldowns *consistent from application to application* instead of "whatever we happened to feel like the day we did it". Maybe also no "windows within windows" where an application opens a window, and then the document opens another window inside it. Let's see, the "full screen" icon on the inside window doesn't really make it full-screen, it makes it the fill the outer window, which is still in reduced mode.

And maybe, just maybe, cut and paste will someday work properly and in a non-idiosyncratic way in Windows. Most Windows apologists WON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND that it doesn't already work properly! And it doesn't even work consistently among Office applications - much less third-party apps. Let's see, cut a plot from MATLAB, paste it into a Word document, and now the dotted gridlines have turned into solid lines. Go searching through various problem databases - "Windows does not support interupted lines in the smaller sizes" - use BMP images of plot instead. Do that - and now it looks like you scanned the picture on the "My First Scanner" (ages 2 to 8).

Mac (all versions) and even the much maligned CDE (from several sources - SUN, Dec (still can't use the C-word)) do far better than windows in human factors and interface issues.

Brett

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Brett Buck

He must be thinking secure shell.

Yeah, that's the ticket. ;-)

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Kurt Kesler

IBM 3101.

Seriously, W2KPro, but the Telnet client in and of itself is not a GUI. There *are* GUI-like Telnet front-ends (wIntegrate), but why mess with a good thing? I could've just as easily booted up to DOS, and run my old copy of ProComm.

tah

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hiltyt

And I will take a good CLI over a pig GUI any day...

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Bob Kaplow

ROTFL!

Right in the middle of lunch. You owe me a screen cleaner!

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Bob Kaplow

First of all, it's DEC, not Dec... Second, the "C" word has changed to the HP word a couple years ago.

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Bob Kaplow

...which would be an improvement over Winblows. Can you tell I've had half a dozen housecalls (officecalls) this morning from the good Dr. Watson...

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Bob Kaplow

I believe you mean mBay...

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Bob Kaplow

Perhaps this last photo taken by Spirit indicates what the problem is:

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Bob Kaplow

LOL! Now *that's* funny!

I can just hear ol' Marvin now...

"Hmmmm... I wonder what the purpose of this big red button would be?"

tah

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hiltyt

They just said on the local news that Spirit is transmitting again.

Randy

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Randy

The news spot I heard said that it was transmitting in what they called 'Safe Mode'. They've got a problem, but can't diagnose it.

(Yet another example of why we need a *human* presence in space...)

Reply to
Len Lekx

I use the CDE on all my Sun boxes, which I find better than the old OpenLook

have you any opinion on Gnome? It is an optional install on Solaris 8, I don't know if is installed automatically on Solaris 9.

- iz

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Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed

Yeah. The BBS days. Fidonet, etc...

Funny that it's still on my hard drive after God only knows how many OS migrations... BlueWave is still sittin' there too, embalmed in it's high bit ASCII glory!

Tod "Just can't throw anything away" Hilty

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hiltyt

I actually went on a hunt for my old ProComm floppies the other day. Unfortunately, I think they're long gone. 8-{

-Kevin

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Kevin Trojanowski

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