Re: OT - The Two Faces of jb & Michael

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff" Newsgroups: alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: OT - The Two Faces of jb & Michael

> >>I can at least do my part by refusing to buy anything made >>in China. It may not help but it makes me feel better. > > > >>I refuse to support any Chinese, Indian etc product. Actually, I recently >>found >>that Visualmill is owned by a group from India.
[You mean Mecsoft Corp.? While the owner may have been born in India, the business is a US corporation. If they have some financial backers in foreign countries (I don't know about this, but it's possible), that wouldn't be very unusual for an American company. Or do you insist that every company you patronize is not only owned by Americans (how many native-born generations to qualify?), but receives all its financial support from American sources? This must be a very small and exclusive club you deal with. It's hard to imagine how you find a car to drive or clothes to wear, not to mention gizmos like computers, filled with hundreds of tiny foreign parts...]
>>I paid $4,300.00 for full Visualmill several years ago, I had only dealt >>with >>Americans for the time since I purchased the product. I had recently been >>set >>up to resell Visualmill from my website. > >>I immediately uninstalled the Visualmill product and took their Visualmill >>promotion down from my website. Why??? At what point do they decide they >>don't need me anymore?Fact is, "they can't make that decision about me." I >>refuse to empower Visualmill to use me and dump me, so I dumped them.
[Did you have some kind of business dispute with them? That's what it sounds like, reading between the lines here. It's hard to credit all this to patriotic horror at discovering the owner's foreign origin. Or were you frightened by an immigrant at an early and impressionable age?] I
>refuse to make my livlihood become dependent on foreign companies who are >>after the dollar at any cost.
[But American ones would be okay?]
>>Sending your dollars and trade secrets etc to foreign companies who "will" >>later >>dump on you is a big mistake. I get some job quotes from foreign >>companies, I >refuse to even discuss the work with them.
[Be careful - Loose lips sink ships...]

Andrew Werby

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Yes Andrew, I have bought software from you too, watch those loose lips.

Congratulations to you.

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Michael

Andrew, Joe & everyone else, A better question is why would Cliff dredge up such old things and crosspost them to multiple newsgroups?

Just to be an instigator? Yes.

By now I have no problems with Joe or Visualmill, in fact I wish them well. My choice is to simply use different software. I spent my money, the product didn't work for me long term, I moved on, no big deal I feel sure that Visualmill is more than adequate for some peoples applications, long term it did not suit my needs. Bridge crossed, game over, and so forth. As *actual* end users, we buy, we use, and we *ALL* evaluate software daily and either stay with a product or simply move on in search of what fits our needs better. For some people, Solidworks does everything they need, for some VX is what they are comforable with. Some people's machining requirements are filled by Visualmill and some use whatever the MotherShip (company) provides. I still have never seen any piece of software that does everything that can be conceived, it simply does not exist.

Still, the *larger question* would be why Cliff Huprich chooses to display any kind of information or misinformation or any old gripes and groans to try to create problems wherever he can? Does he care about ANY CAM software company, no. Does he care about Machinists or the Machining Trade, no. This OT post was put here by Cliff *once again* like the negative post against me last week just to stir the pot and cause problems wherever he can for whomever he can, that *REALLY* is his entire purpose for being here.

Michael

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[They're working up to that. Just last week they added the 4th axis module, and they expect to have the full product working inside Rhino by the end of this year.]

Since Joe Annad has

[I do like Rhino's interface better than the native VisualMill way of presenting things, but there's some learning involved in mastering the combination. Squeezing all VM5's functionality in there is going to be a trick.]

If not,

[Thanks, Jon, but they get the benefit of my efforts (such as they are) without having to hire me. I'm an independent sort anyway, and have never been happy with someone telling me what to do. They did have a pretty dynamic marketing guy for a while, who was shaking things up by offering special pricing and making alliances with other companies, but he got tired of commuting from Arizona to LA and quit. Since then, things have more or less reverted to their previous state. If you've got ideas about a marketing program for them, maybe you and Joe should talk...]
[I didn't realize this thread was based on an ancient post dredged up from who knows when. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, Micheal. It's easy to get angry and post things one later regrets; these messages never disappear entirely. I'm glad to hear you've put this behind you, and are once again friends with the world...]

Andrew Werby

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Andrew Werby

Andrew, This was a troll's ( Cliff) effort to create turmoil from a very old post.

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Michael

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