A test I did with hardmilling...(long and boring)


Toolholder test.
Heat shrink vs collet vs squeeze fit. All toolholders are the same length
from the flange, all cat 40, all top of the line. Test was done on a 20,000
relatively new makino.
Using new cutters, all top quality brands, cutting multiple identical
parts, I feel my results are conclusive.
Conclusion:
COLLETS........
I'm using lyndex, bearing collets made for high speed milling.
It's said collets are good for roughing, because they absorb shock. Well
the truth is they DO absorb shock. Problem is they cut like shit so who
cares. When I roughed with the collets the tools did not chip, not even on
flat floors. However, the cutters were definetely worn down rather quickly.
Running a program with a constant feedrate, the collets were ran at 60%
feed, as opposed to 160% feed for the shrink it and pressure fit. At 100%
feedrate I thought the machine was going to blow up with the collets.
For finishing...Collets SUCK. I'm trying to hold things to -.0002/side,
and I have this unpredictable cutter diameter adding another tenth or two
when it feels like it to my part. At high rpm, it's nice to have runout of
a tenth or less, and thats asking a lot of collets. Not to mention you have
this big fat area to hold smaller cutters with. Collets suck for tool holder
clearance.
I give collets an F for hardmilling.
I use one for my 40$ cmm probe, the rest collect dust.
Pressure fit.......
I'm using a trimos system. Very popular.
Extremely fast and easy to load cutters. To date Iv'e had no cutters push
up or spin.
Isn't as rigid as the heat shrink, but close. Seems just enough to rough
with. When roughing with heat shrink, cutters chip easy, there's no give
when a chip gets back in the cut. The pressure fit has some give. The
pressure fit has awesome tir, as good as the shrink fit, so it finishes at
high speed well.
The pressure fit seems to need a long shank to be rigid. It makes a
difference if your shank bottoms out, not so much with the heat shrink.
One downfall of pressure squeeze, the toolholder diameter is large, the
larger the more rigid. Toolholder clearance sucks.
Doesn't seem to be much difference between 2 and 4 etc... flutes as
opposed to heat shrink. You can feel two flutes in the floor using heat
shrink.
Heat shrink........
I hate loading them in. It takes too long.
That aside, they are awesome for semi finishing and finishing. There is NO
runout. Cutters cut exactly what they should to the tenth. No deflection in
corners. If you go back and recut something in pressure squeeze, corners
will hit a tenth or 2, but not with heat shrink.
The holder clearance is awesome.
Heat shrink seems to work best with multi flute mills at higher rpms. Very
good with cutting the bottom of a 2 flute, much better than pressure squeeze
or collets.
Due to holder clearance, getting an air blast where you need it is a lot
easier with heat shrink.
Tools chip, but last longer as far as wear goes.
So now I rough with trimos cutters over .2, and rough with heat shrink under
.2.
I try to do all my finishing with shrink fit.
(this test was conducted with Cimitron. This software gets an A+ for
constant chip load. There are no surprises.)
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vinny
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Looks like you have all the "right stuff" - tools - to get the job done efficiently. Sounds like the shop management has made the correct decisions in equip t. choices. Just my opinion............but a Mold shop,with Cimatron, new Makino's with good tooling, milling within tenths!, are you in mold shop heaven? BTW its CIM A TRON
& Thx for actually posting CNC related info!
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cncmillgil
Looks like you have all the "right stuff" - tools - to get the job done efficiently. Sounds like the shop management has made the correct decisions in equip t. choices. Just my opinion............but a Mold shop,with Cimatron, new Makino's with good tooling, milling within tenths!, are you in mold shop heaven?
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vinny
Thanks for posting something actually machining related. Now I gotta go look at shrink fit stuff!!
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