Optimizing Interdisciplinarity



Maybe it would be better to say the more stunning the breakthrough the more dissimilar the fields.
It's kind of like splicing fruit or cross breeding species. There comes a point when it ain't gonna happen.
The number of advances probably increases as the fields become more similar, at least to a point. The only problem is that the advances aren't as great.
Fast nickel v slow dime optimization problem.
The N. A. of Sciences needs to develop some kind of units of "distance" between two fields, say chemistry to physics is one "ID", to generate all kinds of statistical data, plots of breakthroughs v ID etc.
Bret Cahill
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:38:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
///

Not so sure - James Watt was an instrument maker at Glasgow University before coming to Birmingham to work with Bolton on the stunning condenser steam engine.
Faraday was a bookbinder's apprentice, before moving to the Royal Institution - but way before that, I think it was a physician who came up with the sulphur ball on a spindle method of powering an electric telegraph.. Wasn't evolutionary genetics worked out by a monk?
Photography - that was a bitumen on glass method initially, if I recall....
BrianW
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Doesnt qualify as 'the more dissimilar the fields' and toy steam engines had been around for a hell of a long time before they were ever used for something practical like pumping in a mine, and its hardly surprising that an instrument maker would have been aware of toy steam engines.
Tho I guess you could claim that that particular one does involve rather different fields since instrument making and mining are quite different fields.

Doesnt mean that the discovery of electricity had anything to do with bookbinding tho.

Nope. Thats just plant breeding and everyone ran the line that you couldnt breed even a donkey and a horse and get any progeny that could reproduce.
Different matter entirely to establishing that evolution is what happened naturally.
Thats as silly as saying that Chas Darwin was involved with religion before he twigged to evolution.

Still nothing to do with dissimilar fields, just the use of what worked by someone who had enough of a clue to think of that approach.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

According to reports Faraday read a lot of the books that came into the shop where he worked. A lot of those books were science oriented. Thus he received a leading edge education on the science of the day. Of course he was very intelligent, that helped. Then his particular religion was well suited for science investigation and theorizing, different than Newton's, but had similar effects.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Thats not interdisciplinarity, just an unusual way of getting and education.

Still not interdisciplinarity, just his personal circumstances.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill

There's one unifying discipline that has absolutely pervaded all the sciences, all of technology, and nearly all the arts: electronics.
John
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Nope, most obviously with the biological sciences early on, before electronics was even invented.
Ditto in spades with the physical sciences too.

Wrong again, most obviously with the industrial revolution and military technology before electronics was even invented.

Wrong in spades before electronics was even invented.

Fraid not.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:26:23 +1000, "Rod Speed"

I said "has pervaded." Having trouble with tenses? Or history?
It's rare that any modern physical experiment isn't instrumented with electronics, and its data analyzed and published using computers. Electronics has revolutionized biology (gene sequencing, molecular analysis) and physics (making quantum mechanics measurable, detecting particles and quanta) and chemistry and practically any discipline you can name.
So to do any science or engineering, especially inter-discipline stuff, it's a huge advantage to be good at electronics, as most really good scientists are.
Something as simple as Bret's crossover heat exchanger is going to need some good measurement and control electronics to keep it at its optimum point, whatever that is. Several delts-p's, lots of temperatures, maybe the power input to the pumps.
John
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Pity electronics doesnt qualify as a 'unifying discipline' in that sense either.

Thats as silly as claiming that the printing press is a 'unifying discipline' in all those fields. Fraid not.

Thats as silly as claiming that chemistry is a 'unifying discipline' in all those fields. Fraid not.

That last is just plain wrong. Very few of them are.

And fuck all plant breeding does.

Dont get much of that with painting pictures.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Aug 1, 8:15 pm, John Larkin

Don't forget chemistry. Hot oxygen over silicon, to make all those semiconductors...
Michael
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

The atomic scientists were the first to realize that biotech would take over.
If the algae diesel folk can get 50K gallons / acre - year then the physicists were correct.
The converse may or may not be true.
Bret Cahill
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

We need the backgrounds of them inventors.
Bret Cahil
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

We've got that. Your claim is just mindlessly silly.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:11:44 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill

--
Geez, you're always so ready to speak for everyone else.

The backgrounds of those inventors are easily accessible, and if _you_
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
<snip>
Hey, Bret, we get the idea. You want to fuck with these newsgroups because they trounced your idea for battery powered tractors.
Could you please stop now? It's getting quite boring.
Thanks, Bob Monsen
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

A chemist came up with the MRI. Einstein came up with the Freon based cooling system which is considered more mechanical engineering that atomic physics. There are endless other examples so we know it happens.
We need to get some stats on how often and turn interdisciplinarity itself into a science.
Bret Cahill
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
snipped-for-privacy@peoplepc.com wrote:

A PHYSICAL chemist. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a clue about how broad the field of chemistry actually is.

Hardly surprising given that he was initially employed in the patent office.

Pity neither of those is one of them.

Nothing like your original silly claim about the MORE STUNNING BREAKTHRUS.

YOU made the stupid claim.
YOU get to do that.
THATS how it works.

You'll end up completely blind if you dont watch out, child.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Which ain't no physicist.
. . .

How does that make Einstein a ME?

. . .

on how often developments comes from those outside their fields.
Bret Cahill
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
snipped-for-privacy@peoplepc.com wrote:

It does however involved other similar technologys like NMR etc.

Pathetic.
Pity neither of those you waved around qualifys.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Nope. Nothing close.

You have no calculations or reasoning.
Pathetic.

You cannot disprove that you are pitiful, as worthless as Al Gore in a dust devil.
Bret Cahill
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Polytechforum.com is a website by engineers for engineers. It is not affiliated with any of manufacturers or vendors discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.