Re: Axial loaded thread design

Dec 24, 2004 6 Replies


> You may want to use different STRENGTH nuts and bolts. Typically,


> > you want to use a nut at least 45% stronger than the bolt.
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> Are you sure about this? I have always been told the converse,
> that the nut should be softer than the bolt to reduce the stress
> concentration in the bolt. I can think of very few cases where
> bolts go into threaded holes in components where the bolt is
> weaker than the threaded hole.

Andy the pugh is correct on this point. If the nut material has a yield strength equal to or higher than the bolt, a very large portion of the load will be concentrated on the first thread.


The nut material should have a lower yield strength than the bolt. You should generally match the nominal property class of the nut with the nominal property class of the bolt (or use a weaker nut, though this often won't give you enough tensile capacity). E.g., the material of a property class 8.8 nut, even though you may not know, actually has a lower material yield strength than the material of a property class 8.8 bolt, in order to allow the first few threads of the nut to slightly yield prior to bolt thread yielding, thereby redistributing the load more evenly over a larger number of threads.


In other words, an 8.8 nut goes with an 8.8 bolt, or a nominal "1040 MPa" nut goes with a nominal "1040 MPa" bolt, as a matched set. Stated differently, you shouldn't use a nut having a higher property class with a bolt having a lower property class.


So andy the pugh is correct. You want the nut material to have a lower yield strength than the bolt material. But James Jennings is correct in that you *do* want sufficient thread engagement length so that the nut (or tapped hole) will have a higher overall tensile capacity than the bolt, thereby allowing a bolt to break prior to nut stripping (in spite of the lower yield strength of the nut material).


I agree with James Jennings in that metric standard fastener threads are inherently better and more fatigue resistant than standard imperial (UNC, UNF) threads due to their improved thread root radius design. However, I disagree that Shigley "is not a good source, while Bickford is a very good source." Actually, the reverse is true. Shigley is an excellent source, whereas Bickford is an overpriced anthology of simplistic, redundant, fairly low-quality information. I do agree that VDI 2230 is a good source.

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UNC, UNF are not 'imperial' threads, they were an effort to unify imperial threads ( which have a root radius) and american form threads with a sharp root.

Brian W

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You might be interested to learn that at least one of the big 3 auto manufacturers recommends using a nut one grade higher than the bolt, in most circumstances, in /designed/ bolted joints. Given how much they spend on bolts, and research, then perhaps it is not as simple as you are implying.

Cheers

Greg Locock

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Not true as stated. Metric fasteners have 2 thread forms, M and MJ. The later requires a root radius. Similarly US threads have UN and UNR forms with the later requiring a root radius. You can look this up in the Shigley's book btw.

Not quite a fair comparison. The Shigley book is on mechanical design with a chapter on bolted joints, where Bickford's book is a whole book on bolted joints and fasteners.

Overall I would say Shigley's book is better, but not to the extreme as you.

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That could be a reuse issue. The stronger nuts can be re-torqued more often. But that's just an educated guess.

This statement is incorrect. I'm referring, above, to the metric standard profile M. You haven't read ISO 965-1:1998, which defines the M thread profile. Sect. 11, p. 14, second paragraph, clearly states that a minimum 0.125*p root radius is required for all M profile external threads of property class 8.8 and higher.

For more information on UN & UNR threads see ASME B1.1-2003. Also, ISO 68 covers the Basic M and UN/UNR thread profiles.

Very well, Shigley's book wasn't such an excellent source there. They probably went by ASME standards are not up to date with that recent change (1998).

Property class 8.8 only comes into play for non-reversing curvatures, by the way.

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