Best practice for mill VFD control wiring

Aug 24, 2009 23 Replies

I don't have a servo on my knee, I was just giving an example of how EMC would see 2 servos acting on the same axis as a single axis to help explain how EMC can use 8 servos for the six axis. But just like a brake on a motor you could configure EMC to unlock gibs while moving the knee.

When starting a spindle syncronized move, EMC zeros the spindle counter on an index and synchronizes from there. The difference with a 2 spindle revs vs. 1 encoder rev is that the index only comes around once every other revolution. I bought a 500 line encoder for my spindle giving 2000 counts per encoder rev or 1000 counts per spindle revolution. So, in 1000 counts my axis can position can be 1/13" or 1/13-1/2" or any other standard, metric, or non-standard pitch is no problem.

In general I think a manual machine can be set up to out run a CNC machine but the advantage I see in a CNC machine is to use a few tools to produce many different shapes. For example on the lathe pawn program, there are various tapers and radius cuts. A turret lathe with form tools, etc could probably outrun a CNC on a setup but the CNC lathe could probably be hours ahead if you have to make 2 of this part and 3 of that part.

I was kind of thinking as a step between, using EMC to replace your control now and swapping out the steppers for servo's later. But, it doesn't seem reasonable to replace your existing drives with micro-stepping drives or anything like that for a temporary transistion.

I know what you mean, I prefer servos too. One thing I like about servos is that their torque is generally rated as continuous and goes up from the rating whereas stepper torque is rated as holding and goes down. I didn't know that the Emco lathe had ball screws, is sounds like it will be a very nice project for an EMC conversion. The hardware sounds great, just sounds like the control need updated a bit.

RogerN

O.K. So this is a hypothetical, instead of an actual bit of hardware. Yes -- I can see benefits to this -- when you need a lot longer Z travel -- perhaps to accommodate varying length tools in the quick-change spindle.

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O.K. Just a potentially longer wait to start the next thread pass. I kept thinking in times of gear synchronized leadscrews for whatever reason.

Agreed. And another type of lathe which might be good for the pawn production is a tracer lathe.

Remember -- I've got a fully working stepper driven Compact-5/CNC, and a totally spare machine with dead electronics for using to built the EMC-driven package. And I'm actually missing one of the steppers -- sold to someone else who was restoring another machine. So -- I can make this as a servo based lathe without losing the existing stepper based machine -- until I have everything working, then I swap over and look into making a second servo-based lathe so I can do things like second-operation CNC without having to reconfigure the first machine.

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Just as the hardware on the Bridgeport BOSS-3 mill is great for CNC (as it started life as a stepper CNC machine). The only problem is that the servo motors are longer than the steppers, so they won't fit where the steppers did for the Y-axis. Bridgeport made a recess in the knee to clear the stepper which pointed towards the knee's jackscrew from the Y-axis timing belt pulley below the Y-axis ballscrew. I need to make a new belt housing and motor mount, with the belt going diagonally to the right and down at about a 45 degree angle so the motor will stick back beside the knee, instead of into the cast-in recess. I've seen photos of newer Bridgeport CNC machines, with servos instead of steppers and with the diagonal belt to the servo mount. I just wish that one of those had been part of what I got with the machine.

The original CPU on that machine is a LSI-11 -- the same 64K address space as the Compact-5/CNC -- but arranged as 32K 16-bit words, instead of 64K 8-bit bytes. (Later LSI-11 CPUs had memory management hardware, allowing splitting into 128 KBytes of address space, half for "text" (machine code) and half for "data" (the G-code and variables). But this one is too early a version for that.

Enjoy, DoN.

I always thought it would be interesting to have a small lathe I could put on my Bridgeport table and use a Servo and brake on the lathe spindle. Having a lathe combined with a 4th mill axis... I guess it isn't any better than a lathe with live tooling but probably a lot cheaper for a home shop.

RogerN

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