Looking for help honing carbide inserts

So to make the fragile, easily broken pieces of carbide sharper, you put them in a bouncing box of rocks?

This is a troll, right?

Gunner

"Veterans, and anyone sensible, take cover when there's incoming. A cloud of testosterone makes a piss poor flack shield."

Actually, the stones make the carbide edges duller...the purpose is to take the sharp edges off very evenly, making the carbide more durable in heavy cutting operations...but i'm still inclined to agree with you that it's a far from brilliant process. In most instances it actually works, though.

Gunner wrote:

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I'm no rocket scientist, but I would think that if you changed the tumbling medium to either a finer grit or a softer material, it might help. You're really only polishing the edges away, right? Ron

You can't get them honed by the manufacturer? Sure, probably add to cost, but isn't what you are doing now adding the the cost as well?

michael

Seems to me you are just breaking down the edge, I bet it can be done easily by chemically attacking the binder with acid.

I gather you have far too many to do them by hand? Breaking the edge of carbide roughing inserts used to be the norm when I broke into the trade. The recommendation was to hone a .005" 45 degree angle on the cutting edge, which prolonged insert life considerably. For those that may not understand, negative rake inserts do not touch at the tip when in use, but cut back on the insert top, location depending on depth of cut and feed rate. It's commonly referenced as the "false cutting edge".

I'd suggest a quick stroke with a diamond hone on each face and tip------I think you could get them quite close with just a little effort.

Harold

Or pick up one of the small bench top "lapping" machines that are collecting dust in many machine shops, holdovers from days when inserts were quite expensive.

They use a diamond wheel in the shape of a donut, held in place by magnets, so you may swap between grits quickly. They will spin at slow rpms either fixe or in a reciprocating motion, with a quickly setable table with angle gauges.

I love mine, as inserts are expensive for me. Mine is a Leonard Grind-Lap, but the name has been changed a number of times over the years, nearly all being made in Santa Ana, California.

They turn slow enough to also work marvelously well on HSS also.

Gunner

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- John Stewart Mill

Something you might try.

I examined on of the new cnc drill pointers that "honed" the drill after sharpening. Turned out they used an abrasive brush. Brush had blue plastic bristles. Located what appeard to be the same bruch in a local hardware store. Tried using it on regroud drills and HSS lathe tools. Does a wonderful job of honing, much better than I can do by hand in just a few seconds. I don't think the hardware store abrasive brush would work with carbide [I will try later today] but there should be plastic brush with SiC [diamond? borazon?] in place of AlOx abrasives. Something better than visegrips may be required to hold the inserts. Whats your volume?

GmcD

Silicon carbide in the brush is pretty common.

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.... The inserts are in large volume, a few hundred at a time. They have rake underneath them...so the hone needs to be somewhat exact... its expensive to let our vendor hone them, and they do a poor job... I think Im going to talk them into buying a silicon carbide deburring wheel bonded with nylon (3M makes one i think). Then i will see if i can dress the form of the insert on it and throw it on a surface grinder with the insert tipped about 45 degrees... its worth a shot. i may try some form of brush hone with silicon carbide also...

I did 10 inserts this weekend with my old lapper in about as long as it took to type this post.

Gunner

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Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner