# Request for material recommendation for cam and roller follower with high contact stress

Hello everyone,
I have a very small radial disk cam with an oscillating roller follower
that has high contact stress between the cam and roller. Everything on the design is "locked in" i.e., I cannot make the cam or roller larger (except for cam thickness & roller length), I cannot increase cam versus follower displacement, or decrease follower versus cam displacement, and I am using a Parabolic curve, which should give the best minimum radius of curvature and lowest contact stress of just about any curve that is located between two dwell points. This is a very slow moving cam oscillated manually by hand, so I don't have to worry about the dynamics of the curve, vibrations, etc..
The maximum contact stress between the cam and roller using a 3/8" thick cam & 3/8" long roller is 331,228.24 PSI. I used the formulas in the cam design manual by Clyde Moon to calculate the contact stress along the curve, with the aid of a spreadsheet. I downloaded the design manual from http://www.camcoindex.com/svcman/moonbook.pdf .
It's difficult to make the cam thicker than 3/8" due to various design constraints, but there is a small chance I could go to a thickness of 7/16" or possibly ½" at the very extreme. This would give a maximum contact stress of 306,657.76 PSI & 286,852.07 PSI respectively.
The maximum contact stresses occur at the point of maximum angular cam displacment, and 90% of the time the cam is not rotated that far. The average maximum contact stress that the cam sees 90% of the time is probably in the range of 220,000 to 252,000 PSI depending on cam thickness. Still, it seems I should design for maximum stress along the entire cam profile.
If the device fails there is a zero percent chance that anyone would get hurt or injured. I don't think I have the luxury of working with normal safety factors (if any), since the design is on the edge.
My main concern is that I need to avoid plastic deformation, and I need to be reasonably sure that any elastic deformation of the cam or roller will not cause the roller to roll rough or slide, i.e., if the pressure causes a large enough flat spot on the roller, there would be sliding or rough rolling. I am more concerned about these two factors than wear or fatigue, since the cam rotates so slow and intermittently.
Can anyone please recommend a material and hardness combination for the cam and follower that would withstand this type of contact stress? I want to use something that is as cost effective as possible to machine, heat treat, and work with. What metal properties do I need to be most concerned with ? I would think compressive yield and shear strength would be the two most important properties to consider, along with how easy the material is to work with.
I found the following materials listed below on www.matweb.com that have compressive yield strengths of over 300,000 and 400,000 PSI, depending on how hard they are (usually between 60 & 64 Rockwell C). However, I am not sure how difficult they are to machine and work with prior to heat treatment. The site gave no machining rating, but said the ASTM 897 grade 5 machines well.
The cam is a very small "rib" cam that has two rollers. One roller works on an inner profile and one roller works on the outer profile. The stresses listed above are for the inner profile, since it has the highest stresses. The cam rib gets thin right at the cam high point (about a .120" wide rib over a short span) in case this could be a problem during heat treatment.
Materials Found on www.Matweb.com...
UDDEHOLM VANADIS 6® Hot Work Tool Steel Carpenter Speed Star® High Speed Steel (Red-Hard) (AISI M2) Spray Formed Grade ROLTEC SF Cold Work Tool Steel Spray Formed Grade WEARTEC SF Cold Work Tool Steel ASTM 897 Grade 5 (230-185-00), Austempered Ductile Iron UDDEHOLM ELMAX® Powder Metallurgy Stainless Mold Steel
Regarding the cam follower roller, I will be pressing the .1875" OD roller onto a 2mm OD hardened steel dowel pin so the roller "rotates with" the dowel/ shaft. Each end of the shaft is then supported by a low friction self lubricating bushing. I think this arrangement will allow the roller to roll well without sliding between the roller OD and cam profile. I was going to use stock tool steel (i.e, A2, D2, 0-1, W-2 etc.) drill rod for the roller since it already comes in the OD I need and is held to close tolerances. There will be no lubricant between the cam profile and roller OD. I have also considered glass bead blasting the cam profile to increase friction between the cam profile and roller OD, to help insure that the roller always rolls well with no sliding between the cam and roller OD.
My concern with the roller is finding stock round 3/16" OD bar that can handle the high contact stress. It seems to me that it probably needs to be hardened to handle this type of stress. However, when the center of the 3/16" OD rod is drilled out so that it can be pressed onto the 2mm OD dowel, it leaves a thin wall. I am concerned that the roller will distort or crack during heat treatment. I need to make the rollers as cost effectively as possible, and due to the way they are assembled, I cannot make the roller and shaft as one piece.
The parts are so small I don't think material cost is a big issue, I am worried that the high strength materials will be hard to work with. I would appreciate any recommendations on the most cost effective materials (easiest to work with) I could use for the cam and follower, and the best heat treatment method for small parts that have thin walls.
Sincerely, John
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Stellite the cam and use a McGill follower...it don't get much better.
I have a very small radial disk cam with an oscillating roller follower that has high contact stress between the cam and roller. Everything on the design is "locked in" i.e., I cannot make the cam or roller larger (except for cam thickness & roller length), I cannot increase cam versus follower displacement, or decrease follower versus cam displacement, and I am using a Parabolic curve, which should give the best minimum radius of curvature and lowest contact stress of just about any curve that is located between two dwell points. This is a very slow moving cam oscillated manually by hand, so I don't have to worry about the dynamics of the curve, vibrations, etc..
The maximum contact stress between the cam and roller using a 3/8" thick cam & 3/8" long roller is 331,228.24 PSI. I used the formulas in the cam design manual by Clyde Moon to calculate the contact stress along the curve, with the aid of a spreadsheet. I downloaded the design manual from http://www.camcoindex.com/svcman/moonbook.pdf .
It's difficult to make the cam thicker than 3/8" due to various design constraints, but there is a small chance I could go to a thickness of 7/16" or possibly ½" at the very extreme. This would give a maximum contact stress of 306,657.76 PSI & 286,852.07 PSI respectively.
The maximum contact stresses occur at the point of maximum angular cam displacment, and 90% of the time the cam is not rotated that far. The average maximum contact stress that the cam sees 90% of the time is probably in the range of 220,000 to 252,000 PSI depending on cam thickness. Still, it seems I should design for maximum stress along the entire cam profile.
If the device fails there is a zero percent chance that anyone would get hurt or injured. I don't think I have the luxury of working with normal safety factors (if any), since the design is on the edge.
My main concern is that I need to avoid plastic deformation, and I need to be reasonably sure that any elastic deformation of the cam or roller will not cause the roller to roll rough or slide, i.e., if the pressure causes a large enough flat spot on the roller, there would be sliding or rough rolling. I am more concerned about these two factors than wear or fatigue, since the cam rotates so slow and intermittently.
Can anyone please recommend a material and hardness combination for the cam and follower that would withstand this type of contact stress? I want to use something that is as cost effective as possible to machine, heat treat, and work with. What metal properties do I need to be most concerned with ? I would think compressive yield and shear strength would be the two most important properties to consider, along with how easy the material is to work with.
I found the following materials listed below on www.matweb.com that have compressive yield strengths of over 300,000 and 400,000 PSI, depending on how hard they are (usually between 60 & 64 Rockwell C). However, I am not sure how difficult they are to machine and work with prior to heat treatment. The site gave no machining rating, but said the ASTM 897 grade 5 machines well.
The cam is a very small "rib" cam that has two rollers. One roller works on an inner profile and one roller works on the outer profile. The stresses listed above are for the inner profile, since it has the highest stresses. The cam rib gets thin right at the cam high point (about a .120" wide rib over a short span) in case this could be a problem during heat treatment.
Materials Found on www.Matweb.com...
UDDEHOLM VANADIS 6® Hot Work Tool Steel Carpenter Speed Star® High Speed Steel (Red-Hard) (AISI M2) Spray Formed Grade ROLTEC SF Cold Work Tool Steel Spray Formed Grade WEARTEC SF Cold Work Tool Steel ASTM 897 Grade 5 (230-185-00), Austempered Ductile Iron UDDEHOLM ELMAX® Powder Metallurgy Stainless Mold Steel
Regarding the cam follower roller, I will be pressing the .1875" OD roller onto a 2mm OD hardened steel dowel pin so the roller "rotates with" the dowel/ shaft. Each end of the shaft is then supported by a low friction self lubricating bushing. I think this arrangement will allow the roller to roll well without sliding between the roller OD and cam profile. I was going to use stock tool steel (i.e, A2, D2, 0-1, W-2 etc.) drill rod for the roller since it already comes in the OD I need and is held to close tolerances. There will be no lubricant between the cam profile and roller OD. I have also considered glass bead blasting the cam profile to increase friction between the cam profile and roller OD, to help insure that the roller always rolls well with no sliding between the cam and roller OD.
My concern with the roller is finding stock round 3/16" OD bar that can handle the high contact stress. It seems to me that it probably needs to be hardened to handle this type of stress. However, when the center of the 3/16" OD rod is drilled out so that it can be pressed onto the 2mm OD dowel, it leaves a thin wall. I am concerned that the roller will distort or crack during heat treatment. I need to make the rollers as cost effectively as possible, and due to the way they are assembled, I cannot make the roller and shaft as one piece.
The parts are so small I don't think material cost is a big issue, I am worried that the high strength materials will be hard to work with. I would appreciate any recommendations on the most cost effective materials (easiest to work with) I could use for the cam and follower, and the best heat treatment method for small parts that have thin walls.
Sincerely, John
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On 23 Mar 2006 15:27:35 -0800, "John2005"
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<snip> Have you considered a laminated design like a master padlock. Make thinner cams and stack them up.
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the replies guys,
I will check into the Stellite material for the cam and see if it can work and if it is cost effective to use. I was hoping to find somthing that's not to exotic or hard to work with.
I cannot use a McGill cam follower becasue they don't make them with a 3/16" OD and I can't use a standard cam follower, I need to use the method described above.
Regarding F. McDuffee's suggestion about the laminated cam, how does this help with contact stress issues ?
Thanks again, John
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On 23 Mar 2006 19:34:35 -0800, "John2005"
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<snip> Only by making it easier to manufacture a wide cam which can increase the contact area and reduce the stress. How many of these do you need?
If only a few wire edm on the outside and plunge edm for the center and tracks may be the way to go. Use any material that you like, even HY110/HY150 or some of the powder tool steels such as CPM10V. Pre-heat treat to avoid/reduce distortion.
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... If the coating does not peel off.
Nick
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Motor Modelle // Engine Models
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de
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Most rolling bearings are made from AISI 52100, which is optimized for heavy cyclical loads. At Rc60 or so it should be in the ballpark for compressive strength; how long it'll hold up under cyclical loading at 300 ksi is another question. You may be better off looking for information on the design of roller bearings where high cyclical stresses are the norm. There's a wealth of experience predicting bearing life vs. load which would be applicable to your problem.
Ned Simmons
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