"Class-AA" amp?

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I?m no enjineer (c: but I?ve never heard of ?AA?. Is it dry?
(That?s a joke?)
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DaveC
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I?m no enjineer (c: but I?ve never heard of ?AA?. Is it dry? (That?s a joke?)
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DaveC
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It's not a real spec. Searching online found a couple of schematics from people trying to guess what it means.
One design claims that it is a highly biased push-pull amp that limits the opposing transistor's bias at high amplitude. This seems like a bad idea.
Another design has two amps working together, with one amp providing current boosting and another amp providing precision. This sounds a lot like an obfuscated version of a typical high bias push-pull amp with some booster transistors.
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Kevin McMurtrie
Maybe it is alkaline ...
I got curious. There was a schematic, but it was well hidden behind Javascript barriers, and it was drawn in a quite cryptic way.
I made a LTspice model of it, but was too lazy to build the model for NE5532, so I used LT1358 instead.
There is non-inverting amplifier with a gain of 4.3 and an exotic current booster at the output.
For showing function, there is a 1 kHz source with 1 V amplitude in the model.
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Tauno Voipio
Class AA OP Preamp /Headphone Amplifier
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The "current booster" simply measures the current into the load and injects the same amount of current into the output op-amp's node, so that it experiences zero load current.
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Winfield Hill
Sounds like an invitation for oscillation. ...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson
That's probably why they call it 'AA': Two class-A amplifiers, one for the voltage, one for the current (as if that doesn't generate a voltage).
joe
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Joe Hey
Of course, neither op-amp is running class A.
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Winfield Hill
That's a pretty common technique, but it's simpler for the booster (U2) to have a gain of 1 (kill R6, make R7=0), and have R5=R3.
The other trick, for serious power, is to put helper transistors into the opamp supply rails.
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John Larkin
Maybe you cannot use it with a double amplifier, like here.
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Tauno Voipio
You gotta load the output of the opamp and disconnect it from the collectors to get that to work. R to ground such that Iout from the chip reaches ~50-60% of max. A few pF in shunt with that resistor will speed things up a bit. You can get high slew rates out of garden variety opamps (35v/us with a 741 and 2N2907/2N2219). This is a classic circuit published in a Fairchild App note around 1969.
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mixed nuts
The load loads the opamp. This circuit works.
R to ground such that Iout from the
A few pF in shunt with that resistor will
Of course, frequency stability has to be considered. My sketch just shows the basic topology. There are variations.
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John Larkin
Well, I suppose. I prefer stuff that works without/doesn't care about a load. Save maybe a current pump.
I introduced that circuit into an undergraduate 'Instrumentation for Physics Kids' in 1970 as a power amplifier for driving dc servo motors and whatnot. About an hour into the 3rd lab session, somebody connected a speaker and in about 2 hours there were turntables and speakers hauled in from dorm rooms on every bench. They grabbed every 2N3053 and 2N4037 I had.
Unity gain is a tough problem but anything over 5 was pretty tractable with a 10 pF across a 10k feedback resistor
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mixed nuts

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