I've developed a method for cleaning my inline skate wheel bearings
which I think is likely to remove grit, at least more likely than
just soaking them.
Here is an illustration of the wheel assembly, for what it's worth.
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The method:
... with the bearing shields removed, they are soak in WD-40
... the bearing outer ring is carefully clamped in vise grips (the
jaws have been smoothed with sandpaper) using just enough pressure
to hold the bearing, there is no apparent damage to the outer ring
of the bearing
... using a garden hose sprayer, with the bearing shields removed,
both sides of the bearing are pounded with a stream of water
... the bearing is slapped down on a paper towel to remove excess
water, I guess high-pressure air would be better... seems to me that
WD-40 even though washed off with water leaves a residue which helps
repel water
... then the bearing is saturated with this penetrating light grease
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Here is my problem. I am being stoned for presenting a method which
my critics say should not work because water touches the bearings.
However, it appears to work very well. In a What am I supposed to
look for? How can the results not be obvious when I can see the
bearing with both shields removed? After two or three monthly
sessions, there appears to be no rust, the bearings roll very well,
and I cannot hear any grit in the bearings. I'm asking just in case
appearances are deceiving.
Thank you.
not a good practice to spray with a garden hose - a tiny bit of rust will
pit the bearing and score the race, and will cause noise and premature
bearing failure.
If you insist on removing the seals and cleaning the bearings, then as a
purist
(BTW, its invariably cheaper, net of time and damage, to replace sealed
bearings rather than disassemble them and clean them - IME, once removed
without benefit of clean area and press, most seals no longer seal except
against big chunks)
Wash the bearing, seals removed, in solvent. Do not spin them.
Use a can of dry air mix used for computer keyboards in a clean area to
dry them. Avoid the wd-40, which leaves residue that will damage/soften
plastic seals, and whose coating holds very fine contaminants - which are
not washed off by a garden hose.
DO NOT hit the bearings on anything to remove residue or particles - that
causes tiny flat spots where the roller/ball touches the race at the instant
of impact, which causes a kind of fretting (turning the bearing metal into
little bits of metal at the spot), and damages bearings.
Oil the clean, dry bearing if it has seals -
if it might be submerged in water, you can pack it full with
water-resistant bearing grease.
Otherwise, if you don't mind the difference in efficiency and want to use
grease, pack about a third of the race only with bearing grease (it will
move all around when running).
they are sort of correct - water is bad for cleaning bearings -
but since you use an oil-based substance before washing, the water doesn't
touch the metal during the cleaning, so
they are sort of incorrect because water as you are using it doesn't
really "touch" the bearing metal because by itself (water won't displace the
oil film).
However, the wd-40 film is displaced by water once the bearing moves under
load, letting the water and the grit in the wd-40 film get to the metal.
Work well with a bearing usually means six months down the road as opposed
to the next week. I see you do this monthly - a lot of work, IMHO, but once
you breach the seal, you are almost forced into monthly cleaning.
In a What am I supposed to
Within minutes, they are saturated with a penetrating light grease.
The last step is to apply a penetrating light grease. So neither
the water or the WD-40 should be a problem, eh?
Instead of slapping them down on a paper towel, last time I
probably used a very powerful shop vac. Then applied the grease. I
forgot about that. The shop vac was right next to me. Of course, I
was very careful holding the bearings so they wouldn't get sucked
into the shop vac canister. A bearing size round nozzle probably
would do the job nicely.
I might be doing it that way for years. I like the idea of removing
grit and getting the job done quickly.
It's significant. But the skate frames, axles, and frame/bearing
spacers get filthy too. It's not much additional effort to clean the
bearings.
Thanks for the ideas.
Mr. Doe has misrepresented things a bit - ok more than a bit. Anyone who
wishes to verify things can go to the "bearing maintenance and cleaning"
thread on rec.sport.skating.inline.
Background:
Inline skates use standard 608 bearings with shields (some makers use the
term seals to hype them but no one actually uses a sealed bearing because of
the drag). Most have removable and replaceable shields.
Most of the quality ones run between ABEC 3 and ABEC 7. The tolerances of
ABEC are not required but the early non-ABEC bearings used for skates were
real junk and people learned that ABEC rated bearings had better quality.
There are usually 5 to 7 balls spaced around the bearing by a retainer. The
retainer may be a metal cage made of two rings that covers most of each ball
on each side or a plastic clip that has fingers to hold the balls in place.
The lubricant ranges from grease, to gels, to light oil.
The loading on the bearings is light compared to their rating and almost any
lubricant works but different ones have different longevity and ease of
rolling.
The amount of lubricant used is generally minimal. Packing the bearing
causes a large amount of drag and leaking lubricant. With solids, several
pin head sized bits is appropriate. With oil, a drop or two is appropriate.
Unless a skate is used on wet surfaces, a good bearing typically lasts for a
year to several without needing cleaning, depending on the dust level of the
skating area and type of lubricant.
There are dozens of methods ranging from almost zero work (dunk in oil,
drain, roll) to intricate schemes based on what a racer thinks has worked
for them in the past. Most of them work reasonably well.
The usual cleaning method is a variation of"
Open the bearing
Use one or more solvents to remove the previous lubricant, crud, and
water.
Removing any materials that would react badly with the bearing or
lubricant.
Add new lubricant.
Leave only one shield on the bearing and reinstall (the inside side of
the bearing is in a closed environment. All dirt and water has to come
through the outside side of the bearing.
His method was not because of using water. Many people use it at some stage
and it is well accepted.
His method was questioned because of many reasons including, using ONLY
water, not opening the bearings (some people's methods do not), not drying
the water out before adding
grease, and making the process more time consuming and messy than most.
He didn't like it that people dared question his method and has decided to
shop around for other answers, more to his liking. He has stated that he
was going to get answers from "engineers" in order to prove the previous
answers wrong.
This is his actual claim, in it's entirety, as he wrote it:
(Note the differences in this from what he stated in his message)
The ellipses are his and do not indicate that I left anything out,
Ok, how many people here have spun up a bearing with air? I've seen
estimates that perhaps 100K rpm can be achieved before the bearing
experiences spontaneous rapid disassembly.
Hi Jeff,
jeff wrote:
I wonder if that isn't an urban legend? I did this as an apprentice many
times, spinning them up until the tone didn't (appear) to change and
letting them loose on the workshop floor. I guess apprentices had been
doing that for decades before me, but I never experienced or heard about
an exploding ball bearing. Maybe we were lucky... :-)
The ball bearing would spark and jump across the hard floor, hitting
stuff in it's way and smack against the concrete wall. Maybe a mark or
two on the outer race, but never a crack.
My dad used to crack open ball bearings in the old days, in the 70's,
for us kids. We used the balls as marbles, a goonie was worth maybe 5
glass marbles, a really big one, say 10 cm in diameter would be worth
20. He used to wrap them up in a towel and smack them with a 4 pound
hammer... :-)
br Franklin
-thanks Dad!
Frankl> I wonder if that isn't an urban legend? I did this as an apprentice many
Here is a guy that claims to have blown one up that way - posted 1993
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"I used to spin these bearings
up with 175 psi air and release them to run down the road.
The bearings would EASILY outrun cars driving at ordinary residental
street speeds, spraying sparks all the while. When it hit a gravel or ...
...When the outer race explodes from over-speed, the particles that fly off
are whizzing and can cause injury. The incident - which ended my
career as a "bearing whizzer" - did not injure me but it DID dig
significant sized divots out of the concrete."
A troll who just loves to abuse and lie about others.
"B Fuhrmann" wrote:
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I doubt it's necessary, but my apologies to the engineering group.
I did not intend to attract frivolous postings. I will exit on
this subject and eventually so will my entourage of trolls.
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tolerances of
retainer. The
Bill, you should have probably gone with inline skates typically use a
standard 608 Deep Groove Ball bearing, however 688's (SKF 618/8) are
used by some skaters and even 698 (SKF 619/8) have been used.
Also, I would suggest that it is an industry standard to use 7 balls in
a 608 (and 688/698), but I have come across 8-ball and 6-ball variants.
Wether either is of any use to a skater or purley another marketing
gimmick , the jury is out.
I don't know about you Bill, but I and other skater also consider that
is cleaning some kind of aggetation is needed (and I don't mean your
wife standing by nagging you!!). Ultrasonic cleaners are becoming
popular for this, however I just throw them in a jar and shake (not too
hard or it will break!).
My choice of solvent is shellite, a light, pure hydrocarbon (blend?)
which is readily available in the hardware store paint section (well,
here in Oz at least). Other swear by citrus cleaners (which I didn't
really like, it seemed to leave a residue). Do citrus cleaners have a
water content...my gut feeling is yes, but the one I have here doesn't
even say what any of the ingreadients are. Others suggest soapy water,
and then there is Eddy Matzgers boil and bake method.
In any case, your point of removing anything that will react badly with
bearing or lube is key. That's part of the reason I like shellite, it
evaps. quickly, and I have a reasonable level of confidence it is gone
before I lube. I have no such confidence with citrus cleaner or water.
previous
Funniest thing to me is he won't take any input from me even though I
am a mech engineer and have over 25 years of skating under my
(unfortunatly large at the moment) belt. I also lurk on sci.engr.mech
and on occasion have been involved in the discussion group. Yet,
anything I suggest is met with a 'you are a drunk engineer' type
remark. Let's face it, most engineers enjoy a drink. Of the 500 or so
in the organisation I work for, I'd suggest at least 90% of them enjoy
a regular drink. Since this is cross posted to sci.engr.mech (sorry for
perpetuating the cross post), how many drunk engineers are reading this
right now??!!
Anyway, back to what is left of my long weekend.
CG
Anything inlina suggests recently.
Over the years, after inlina has persistently claimed to be an
engineer and at the same time made clear that he frequently
drinks, I have recently realized that drinking might be why some
of his posts are nonsensical or full of errors.
Claiming to be well-educated and then talking through a cloud of
booze is potentially harmful, in my opinion, unless you make plain
that you are intoxicated. Instead, apparently inlina is playing a
game.
Good luck.
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Good lord Doe, inlina is being just a tad sarcastic...he is not drunk
when he writes his posts and he speaks with information and experience
Whats harmful is giving lame advice or poorly explained procedures for
technical processes.
The author inlina asks without sarcasm whether anyone is drunk
while reading his post. Any intelligent reader can infer that he
condones reading and writing while intoxicated.
By all indications, inlina sometimes is intoxicated while posting.
When inlina isn't intoxicated, maybe his posts are useful. Better
to ignore them all, in my opinion.
That from a persistent troll who runs around tacking handbills to
walls, telephone poles, and cars.
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