$73 an Hour

$73 an Hour

That figure =97 repeated on television and in newspapers as the average pay of a Big Three autoworker =97 has become a big symbol in the fight over what should happen to Detroit. To critics, it is a neat encapsulation of everything that=92s wrong with bloated car companies and their entitled workers.

To the Big Three=92s defenders, meanwhile, the number has become proof positive that autoworkers are being unfairly blamed for Detroit=92s decline. =93We=92ve heard this garbage about 73 bucks an hour,=94 Senator Bob Casey, a Pennsylvania Democrat, said last week. =93It=92s a total lie. I think some people have perpetrated that deliberately, in a calculated way, to mislead the American people about what we=92re doing here.=94

So what is the reality behind the number? Detroit=92s defenders are right that the number is basically wrong. Big Three workers aren=92t making anything close to $73 an hour (which would translate to about $150,000 a year).

But the defenders are not right to suggest, as many have, that Detroit has solved its wage problem. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler workers make significantly more than their counterparts at Toyota, Honda and Nissan plants in this country. Last year=92s concessions by the United Automobile Workers, which mostly apply to new workers, will not change that anytime soon.

And yet the main problem facing Detroit, overwhelmingly, is not the pay gap. That=92s unfortunate because fixing the pay gap would be fairly straightforward.

The real problem is that many people don=92t want to buy the cars that Detroit makes. Fixing this problem won=92t be nearly so easy.

The success of any bailout is probably going to come down to Washington=92s willingness to acknowledge as much.

Let=92s start with the numbers. The $73-an-hour figure comes from the car companies themselves. As part of their public relations strategy during labor negotiations, the companies put out various charts and reports explaining what they paid their workers. Wall Street analysts have done similar calculations.

The calculations show, accurately enough, that for every hour a unionized worker puts in, one of the Big Three really does spend about $73 on compensation. So the number isn=92t made up. But it is the combination of three very different categories.

The first category is simply cash payments, which is what many people imagine when they hear the word =93compensation.=94 It includes wages, overtime and vacation pay, and comes to about $40 an hour. (The numbers vary a bit by company and year. That=92s why $73 is sometimes $70 or $77.)

The second category is fringe benefits, like health insurance and pensions. These benefits have real value, even if they don=92t show up on a weekly paycheck. At the Big Three, the benefits amount to $15 an hour or so.

Add the two together, and you get the true hourly compensation of Detroit=92s unionized work force: roughly $55 an hour. It=92s a little more than twice as much as the typical American worker makes, benefits included. The more relevant comparison, though, is probably to Honda=92s or Toyota=92s (nonunionized) workers. They make in the neighborhood of $45 an hour, and most of the gap stems from their less generous benefits.

The third category is the cost of benefits for retirees. These are essentially fixed costs that have no relation to how many vehicles the companies make. But they are a real cost, so the companies add them into the mix =97 dividing those costs by the total hours of the current work force, to get a figure of $15 or so =97 and end up at roughly $70 an hour.

The crucial point, though, is this $15 isn=92t mainly a reflection of how generous the retiree benefits are. It=92s a reflection of how many retirees there are. The Big Three built up a huge pool of retirees long before Honda and Toyota opened plants in this country. You=92d never know this by looking at the graphic behind Wolf Blitzer on CNN last week, contrasting the =93$73/hour=94 pay of Detroit=92s workers with the =93up to $48/hour=94 pay of workers at the Japanese companies.

These retirees make up arguably Detroit=92s best case for a bailout. The Big Three and the U.A.W. had the bad luck of helping to create the middle class in a country where individual companies =97 as opposed to all of society =97 must shoulder much of the burden of paying for retirement.

So here=92s a little experiment. Imagine that a Congressional bailout effectively pays for $10 an hour of the retiree benefits. That=92s roughly the gap between the Big Three=92s retiree costs and those of the Japanese-owned plants in this country. Imagine, also, that the U.A.W. agrees to reduce pay and benefits for current workers to $45 an hour =97 the same as at Honda and Toyota.

Do you know how much that would reduce the cost of producing a Big Three vehicle? Only about $800.

That=92s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle. An extra $800 per vehicle would certainly help Detroit, but the Big Three already often sell their cars for about $2,500 less than equivalent cars from Japanese companies, analysts at the International Motor Vehicle Program say. Even so, many Americans no longer want to own the cars being made by General Motors, Ford and Chrysler.

My own family=92s story isn=92t especially unusual. For decades, my grandparents bought American and only American. In their apartment, they still have a framed photo of the 1933 Oldsmobile that my grandfather=92s family drove when he was a teenager. In the photo, his father stands proudly on the car=92s running board.

By the 1970s, though, my grandfather became so sick of the problems with his American cars that he vowed never to buy another one. He hasn=92t.

Detroit=92s defenders, from top executives on down, insist that they have finally learned their lesson. They say a comeback is just around the corner. But they said the same thing at the start of this decade =97 and the start of the last one and the one before that. All the while, their market share has kept on falling.

There is good reason to keep G.M. and Chrysler from collapsing in

2009. (Ford is in slightly better shape.) The economy is in the worst recession in a generation. You can think of the Detroit bailout as a relatively cost-effective form of stimulus. It=92s often cheaper to keep workers in their jobs than to create new jobs.

But Congress and the Obama administration shouldn=92t fool themselves into thinking that they can preserve the Big Three in anything like their current form. Very soon, they need to shrink to a size that reflects the American public=92s collective judgment about the quality of their products.

It=92s a sad story, in many ways. But it can=92t really be undone at this point. If we had wanted to preserve the Big Three, we would have bought more of their cars.

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Millwright Ron
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Sorry that the party is over and that the punch bowl is being taken away. Join the real world.

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A Troll

Just subdivide your Mc Mansion into multifamily housing and suck up some title 8 housing money. Maybe you can met a few people you have been screwing over for years.

No need to thank me for the advice,

W
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wanab

I meant Section 8 housing. I don't want you to starve going after the wrong glinting bauble.

W

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wanab

BUT....

We all get a new rice bowl with the factory logo, a neat hat, and lifetime discounts on bicycle tires.

The Third World is US!

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

Can someone please explain to me how in hell it is possible for businesses to be allowed to pay pension benefits from current receipts? This liability should be funded entirely from investments separate from the business. The contributions from the business and the employee should be invested at the time the liability is created. The only organizations that can justify paying pensions out of current receipts are governments and that's only because they _can't_ go bankrupt.

Mark Rand RTFM

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Mark Rand

================ The news on most of the auto blogs is that the Chrysler vendors are rapidly moving to supplying parts only on a COD basis.

Several of the blogs have Chrysler purchasing management refusing, but they ain't getting the parts either.

A review of some of the comments by our Congressional gasbags and Kamakazies/suicide bombers indicate they expect the vendors to "do their part."

As many of the vendors have been driven to the brink of bankruptcy, and in many cases are now working at cost, in addition to providing zero interest loans through the "90 days same as cash" Detroit vendor payment plans, it is unclear exactly what they are supposed to do.

The Detroit car companies would do well to remember that ANY three creditors can file a bankruptcy petition with the court in addition to the company itself, and the location can be critical, as some jurisdictions are much more "business oriented" than others.

I look for a Sunday B/K filing, ala Lehman Brothers, late at night. Chrysler/GM/GMAC/REsCap are all "joined at the hip," and when one goes they all go.

It will be interesting [in the sense of watching a train wreck] to see how the CDS [credit default swaps] playout, and what happens to the banks when they must write down their GM debt to zero in accordance with mark to market.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

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F. George McDuffee

COD inthis environment is mot at all George. Merry Whatever.

J
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John R. Carroll

To compare to another - any other business one must include ALL benefits as they do.

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A Troll

------------------------- Two items:

First, only one government [Federal] can't go bankrupt, if only because the can always print more money. Other levels can and have, although I don't know if an entire state has. [we may find out shortly]

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Second, the critical qualifier is "should be invested at the time the liability is created," the problem being just what is an "investment."

As you point out, the rational process would be to simply purchase an annuity policy from a reputable established company, but the corporations were convinced they could get better ROI on their own, and in the short run they may have been correct.

While it is now hard to believe, in the late 90s, many of the defined benefit pension plans were stuffed with company stock, and because of the stock bubble, were "over funded," and assumptions of 12% ROI were common in the calculations for the required contributions, even when much less was actually generated. [ i.e. we will make it up next year.] This paper "over funding" [in the multi billions for GM alone] was "recaptured" for the corporation.

In effect, an annuity has been created, but the companies saw this as a pool of cheap largely unregulated and unprotected capital they could, and did, dip deeply into, without the benefit of state regulation and actuarial knowledge of established insurance companies. Note that this knowledge, about what is and is not possible, had been accumulated over 200 years at enormous personal and financial losses.

Unfortunately the managerial hubris that they could run an insurance company better than the insurance companies was not unique, as they also felt they could run banks better than the bankers, with the result we now have not only the pension fund disaster to be charged to taxpayers through the PGBC [with considerable loss to the pensioneers also as there is a relatively low cap], but also the impending GMAC/ResCap/Diatech Funding catastrophe for the taxpayers to cover.

Detroit management may have been correct in one sense in that they could indeed run their insurance companies and banks as well as they built cars.... ;-(

Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

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F. George McDuffee

Yes, I have wondered about this, but was told my limited knowledge of Economics was at fault, that I didn't comprehend that for you and me, if we wanted a cup of coffee, we had to pay $2 upfront. In the business world, you just promise to pay at some later date, and are given pieces of paper as securities. Which may turn out to be valueless.

Its not unique - our state government of a decade ago, in financial straits, decided that employee pension contributions would go straight into General Revenue rather than be invested along with the Govs contributions in a 3rd party fund. Future payouts to the retirees were to be paid from normal Gov. day to day revenue. This fell in a heap after a while as there wasn't enough money coming in to pay the retirees. Our next Premier, a conservative, did a massive slash and burn operation to get the books in order, which, unfortunately, meant a lessening of retirement benefits.

So. To me, it seems that the economy is run by people solely interested in their own profit and position, most of the rest of us don't understand the smoke and mirrors of how they do it. And the so called regulators? - well, they can stand on their record of prudent management, not.

Unfortunately, NO political system seems to have factored in human greed - it assumes that everyone will act in an honorable manner. This is plainly ludicrous, so abandoning any attempt at regulation is obviously doomed to result in the mess we have now.

But then, I don't understand "economics" so I have probably got it all wrong....

Andrew VK3BFA.

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vk3bfa

Haha! Does that mean they expect them to dig a hole and jump in? I think some of them are ready for it.

Detroit destroyed many of them, and they destroyed the vendor relationships they had before Lopez (Jose Ignacio Lopez de Arriortua) raped and pillaged in the '80s. That was Detroit's response to foreign competition -- bleed the vendors dry.

I'm beginning to wish I had taken my uncle up on his offer to give me his

40' boat. I could live on it, and it's a straight shot from here to the Bahamian Outer Islands...

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

Aw heck, Ed, you can come with us - although the boat is only 38 feet.

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Richard

-------------------- There is nothing wrong with your understanding of economics/finance. In this case what was actually happening was ignored because it was dressed up as something else, in this case an ERISA "pension plan."

What was happening in reality was that the Detroit automotive management in the 1970-1990s were funding a large part [c.

20-30%] of their real current labor costs by operationally issuing "zero coupon" bonds, at a very high rate of interest and 30-40 year maturity. Not only was this portion of the cost of the labor differed for years, but considerable tax benefits for both the corporation and employees were generated, so this "gift horse" was scarcely examined by anyone. [This also again proves the maxim "When something seems too good to be true -- it is."]

The balloon payment for these "bonds," along with a ton of other collateralized and unsecured debt, has started coming due. The creditors are refusing to roll any of the debt over [accept new additional debt at higher interest as payment for the old debt -- PIK], accept stock in lieu of cash [debt for equity swap] and are demanding payment, as in "show me the money."

The core of the problem is that you can't get blood out of a turnip, and the legitimate debts and obligations of GM and Chrysler, including the accrued pensions and health benefit obligations which represent a significant part of their 1960-1999 labor costs, are now widely understood to far exceed both their assets and any plausible future ability to repay. [I.e. the management plan submitted to Congress to invest in lottery tickets and win the grand prize does not count.]

It is becoming more apparent by the day that a large part of the American economic "progress" over the last generation was not real but rather a "Ptomken villege" or stage set founded on and sustained by ever larger amounts of increasingly sophisticated "check kiting," AKA "creative finance" or "financial engineering."

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Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

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F. George McDuffee

Right. Nobody thought it was take-home pay of $73/hour. Even high school kids flipping burgers know you don't take home what the boss pays.

But it is still an obscene amount obtained by coercion. Put these jobs out to bid and imagine what would happen.

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That sounds like a plan. Hope you like to eat fish. There is a nice little bar on Great Inaguana and the food at the Morton salt hotel/boarding house was always good. The Green turtle soup was excellent.

John

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john

============ In one sense yes it is moot, but it may well force Chrysler into bankruptcy before they had planned. Also note that the status of the Chrysler vendors is rapidly dropping.

The failure of a single critical [sole source] supplier to provide components, whether due to COD issues or B/K will put Detroit out of business just as much as a B/K filing by one of the car companies. All three companies are extensively interconnected through their supplier base, and GM/Chrysler are "joined at the hip" through not only through their joint ownership of GMAC but the large involvement in Delphi [currently in Chapter 11] by Cerberus.

That this is occurring at all is yet another manifestation of the large amounts of "bad blood" that has been generated over the years between Detroit management, and everyone with which they have had dealings, from their suppliers and employees to their dealers and governmental units in which they operate.

American Axle is another critical area, and is just coming off a long and bitter strike, mainly over wage rates. The employees were less than pleased about a 10$-15$ / hour wage cut to "keep the company competative" after it was discovered American Axle?s corporate CEO Richard Dauch made at least $60 million over the last five years.

It is interesting that the VP for Procurement at Chrysler just resigned for "reasons of health."

=========== Chrysler's supplier issues expand Top procurement exec to retire for health reasons

BY TIM HIGGINS ? FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER ? December 13, 2008

The health of Chrysler's network of parts suppliers is "increasingly at risk" with the number of companies on its watch list for potential problems increasing by 25% within the past three weeks, the company said Friday.

The revelation came as Chrysler's top procurement executive, who oversees purchases from suppliers, announced his retirement from the company. John Campi, who had a long working relationship with Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli, joined the automaker in January 2008 as executive vice president of procurement.

Campi "has elected to leave Chrysler for health-related reasons," Chrysler said in a statement.

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Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

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F. George McDuffee

I could live on fish. We used to eat it three times a week or more when I was fishing a lot.

I love green turtle soup. 'Haven't had it for 40 years. Maybe I should start packing, before the whole economy goes south.

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

He's very sensitive to acute lead poisoning and needs to avoid it. d8-)

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

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