On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:57:58 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored
Well, insisting on bottom posting net Nazi (well how do you justify
inter posting? while disallowing bottom posting?)
It may be possible to make simulated lips to play a horn, seems very
simple, but I wouldn't expect it to sound authentic. Just like every
other synthesized instrument never quite sounds like the real acoustic
thing. Lips, mouth, tongue, tension, feeling, soul - if you will
grant that much.
Still don't believe lips vibrating cause the notes? That was one of
your digs - now you are taking it for granted? What? something you
were ignorant of? "lip-vibrated aero phone" is an ancient
description of bugles.
Yes, it is possible to start a note without the tongue - but it sounds
wrong - not a trumpet sound. And it is slow - you just can't get the
fast short accent notes. Might be OK for Pachebel's Cannon but never
cut the mustard for Spiritoso, e staccato. But you would already
know that Mr all knowing?
I like fake music. I wouldn't trade Litztronic's Franz Litz's
Totentaz (undoubtedly spelled wrong if you need to nit pick) for
anything - but nothing, yet can emulate a real acoustic instrument.
You probably do need a primer dip shit. Do you believe the sound of a
pipe comes out of the end? due to air flow?
Well, I may well be an idiot AS WELL. Doubtless there's lots brighter
lights than you or I on the block.
You self righteous pig. No one can be as ignorant and as abrasive as
you except religious zealots or a damn good Leza (Chatterbox).
Which are you?
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:49:31 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored
Secure in your own little world. I bet you buy into the (some)
religious zealot indoctrination. Head in the sand, wannabe
Yeah, that's you. Signed sealed and delivered - and moulding in his
You're a little gang boy retard that probably wear his pants down past
The word is MOLDING, you retarded fuck. I am at least one order of
magnitude more intellectual than you are, and at least two orders of
magnitude more intelligent than you are, dumbshit.
There is actually a lot of functional similarity between sound
production in the trumpet and a double reed instrument such as an
Change the metal trumpet for an oboe like keyed body (cornetto), blow
it mostly at the lower overtones, and you get a very oboe like
Even in the higher overtones, it's long been known that a trumpet at a
distance (where some of the brassiness dies out) can be mistaken for
In fact, playing strictly on the high overtones of a longer brass
instrument - boroque trumpet or modern french horn - gives a very
woodwind compatible sound.
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:59:54 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored
Of course not. The bugle predates the trumpet. The trumpet and bugle
are identical when it comes to playing ability - although the trumpet
is more complex and takes longer to master the lips and breath are the
same - there's just many more notes. The trumpet clarinet et al, and
trombone, French horn, all evolved from the straight bugle or horn
I might grant that a French horn sounds like a trumpet without the
tongue - but even it is more mellow and rounder and can never hit the
sharp staccato notes.
Idiot. Every time you open your mouth you prove you remarks were
wrong. The mere fact that you delineate (not too big a word for you is
it?) between the two further proves that they are not the same
snipped retarded, unrelated tripe
The subject is about bugles and trumpets, idiot, not any other member of
the horns class, and no, we do not need a primer on which came first or
the differences between the two.
The fact that you are describing differences proves I was correct. TWO
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:54:27 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored
Apparently you do indeed need a primer - more like you need to start
not arguing they are different instruments - you don't read very well
- you couldn't even make a good troll. The bugle or fanfare horn -
just "horn" to the ancients is only a pre curser - a branch of the
evolution of horns. Bugle, Valve Bugle,Trumpet, French or Trombone are
different instruments who owe their existence to the fanfare "horn" or
You know the self-righteous thing is curable if you get to it before
the age of 10 or so. I pity you the indoctrination you must have gone
through to be so sure of . . . well of everything.
Much as I'd like to kick your drooling chops some more, I have to be
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:55:40 GMT, "Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie"
I can't keep them all straight. A clarinet is what most folks call a
trumpet, a trumpet looks identical except for one or two bigger loops.
A clarion is something I haven't encountered - except it is another
name for a medieval trumpet (probably with a short bell since they
mention it as a "shrill" instrument).
Clarion: "a small shrill trumpet or bugle"
Short horn gives a "shrill" sound, larger horn gives a mellow rounder
sound - the other extreme is the French horn. Probably why the French
Horn is so slow.
Now that I think about it. The atmosphere probably represents a very
low impedance load with a low resonant frequency, the French horn
couples to the low impedance a trumpet is mismatched to a higher
impedance. The Trumpet can bounce around and do its own thing while
the French Horn or Tuba, or Sousaphone, is mired in trying to move the
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