Mechanism behind trumpet playing robot?

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:57:58 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored


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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:57:58 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored

Well, insisting on bottom posting net Nazi (well how do you justify inter posting? while disallowing bottom posting?)
It may be possible to make simulated lips to play a horn, seems very simple, but I wouldn't expect it to sound authentic. Just like every other synthesized instrument never quite sounds like the real acoustic thing. Lips, mouth, tongue, tension, feeling, soul - if you will grant that much.
Still don't believe lips vibrating cause the notes? That was one of your digs - now you are taking it for granted? What? something you were ignorant of? "lip-vibrated aero phone" is an ancient description of bugles.
Yes, it is possible to start a note without the tongue - but it sounds wrong - not a trumpet sound. And it is slow - you just can't get the fast short accent notes. Might be OK for Pachebel's Cannon but never cut the mustard for Spiritoso, e staccato. But you would already know that Mr all knowing?
I like fake music. I wouldn't trade Litztronic's Franz Litz's Totentaz (undoubtedly spelled wrong if you need to nit pick) for anything - but nothing, yet can emulate a real acoustic instrument.
You probably do need a primer dip shit. Do you believe the sound of a pipe comes out of the end? due to air flow?
Well, I may well be an idiot AS WELL. Doubtless there's lots brighter lights than you or I on the block.
You self righteous pig. No one can be as ignorant and as abrasive as you except religious zealots or a damn good Leza (Chatterbox).
Which are you?
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wrote:

I never said that, idiot. In fact what I said was that vibrating lips ARE what cause the tone, you stupid fuck.

No, it wasn't. Learn to read, idiot.

You being dumb is a modern description of an illiterate twit... YOU.
Learn how to read, dipshit.
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:49:31 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored

Damn you should be in politics. What am I thinking, you ARE a politician.
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:49:31 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored

Secure in your own little world. I bet you buy into the (some) religious zealot indoctrination. Head in the sand, wannabe intellectual.
Yeah, that's you. Signed sealed and delivered - and moulding in his safe grave.
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You're a little gang boy retard that probably wear his pants down past his asscrack.
The word is MOLDING, you retarded fuck. I am at least one order of magnitude more intellectual than you are, and at least two orders of magnitude more intelligent than you are, dumbshit.
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Grow the fuck up, you retarded twit.
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ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:

OK ENOUGH ALREADY WITH THESE truculent arguments!
DO NOT CROSS-POST TO ALT.SCI.PHYSICS.ACOUSTICS since we care not about your predjudices.
Angelo Campane;;a
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:52:34 GMT, Angelo Campanella

Learn how to use your filter, dipshit.
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There is actually a lot of functional similarity between sound production in the trumpet and a double reed instrument such as an oboe.
Change the metal trumpet for an oboe like keyed body (cornetto), blow it mostly at the lower overtones, and you get a very oboe like sound.
Even in the higher overtones, it's long been known that a trumpet at a distance (where some of the brassiness dies out) can be mistaken for an oboe.
In fact, playing strictly on the high overtones of a longer brass instrument - boroque trumpet or modern french horn - gives a very woodwind compatible sound.
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:30:52 -0800 (PST), cs snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote:

Yet it can still be discerned by the trained ear. Any conductor could tell in a heartbeat.
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Except that it wasn't a bugle, it was a trumpet.
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:02:16 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored

A trumpet is a bugle with valves to change the length of the pipe. Are you the only person on Earth that doesn't already know that?
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wrote:

Ergo NOT a bugle, idiot.

Are you the only dope on Earth that actually claims to have musical instrument playing ability that would claim a trumpet is a bugle? I think so. Bwuahahahahhaa!
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:59:54 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored

Of course not. The bugle predates the trumpet. The trumpet and bugle are identical when it comes to playing ability - although the trumpet is more complex and takes longer to master the lips and breath are the same - there's just many more notes. The trumpet clarinet et al, and trombone, French horn, all evolved from the straight bugle or horn (fanfare horn)
I might grant that a French horn sounds like a trumpet without the tongue - but even it is more mellow and rounder and can never hit the sharp staccato notes.
Bwuahahahahhaa!
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Idiot. Every time you open your mouth you prove you remarks were wrong. The mere fact that you delineate (not too big a word for you is it?) between the two further proves that they are not the same instrument.
snipped retarded, unrelated tripe
The subject is about bugles and trumpets, idiot, not any other member of the horns class, and no, we do not need a primer on which came first or the differences between the two.
The fact that you are describing differences proves I was correct. TWO DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTS.
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:54:27 -0800, ChairmanOfTheBored

Apparently you do indeed need a primer - more like you need to start over.
not arguing they are different instruments - you don't read very well - you couldn't even make a good troll. The bugle or fanfare horn - just "horn" to the ancients is only a pre curser - a branch of the evolution of horns. Bugle, Valve Bugle,Trumpet, French or Trombone are different instruments who owe their existence to the fanfare "horn" or straight bugle.
You know the self-righteous thing is curable if you get to it before the age of 10 or so. I pity you the indoctrination you must have gone through to be so sure of . . . well of everything.
Much as I'd like to kick your drooling chops some more, I have to be somewhere else.
Merry Christmas
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wrote:

And as stated, they ARE indeed different instruments, regardless of any common rooting, idiot.

You'd better hurry then, chump.

You are a clueless little bastard. Your mother should be jailed as a felon for the crime of not flushing the piece of shit you are, the moment she shat you out of her ass.

You're a goddamned retard.
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:30:45 -0500, default wrote:

Is a clarion just a trumpet with the second loop unrolled? ;-)
Cheers! Rich
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:55:40 GMT, "Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie"

I can't keep them all straight. A clarinet is what most folks call a trumpet, a trumpet looks identical except for one or two bigger loops. A clarion is something I haven't encountered - except it is another name for a medieval trumpet (probably with a short bell since they mention it as a "shrill" instrument).
Clarion: "a small shrill trumpet or bugle"
Short horn gives a "shrill" sound, larger horn gives a mellow rounder sound - the other extreme is the French horn. Probably why the French Horn is so slow.
Now that I think about it. The atmosphere probably represents a very low impedance load with a low resonant frequency, the French horn couples to the low impedance a trumpet is mismatched to a higher impedance. The Trumpet can bounce around and do its own thing while the French Horn or Tuba, or Sousaphone, is mired in trying to move the whole atmosphere.
Interesting
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