Is your suggestion that his idea is stupid, or are you simply envious
of American ingenuity? Americans have ALWAYS found more creative and
productive ways of doing things; even if it means building robots to do
simple tasks to save time. Your racist view of Americans and their
culture is uneducated and unfounded. Yes, many American's are
overweight. This is because most work 10 hour days, do not eat right,
and only have one week of holiday a year. This leaves little time for
taking care of oneself.
I think the author has a wonderful idea, and I hope he markets his idea
and becomes a millionaire by selling the technologies that come out
this. Maybe then, he could open a factory in your country, where you
can work for him on an assembly line.
I read that iRobot (www.irobot.com), makers of the Roomba line of
robotic floor care products (which Pooh Bear will certainly eschew) is
offering their platform as a base unit for robotic developers. It might
be what you're looking for in that it's the perfect size for holding a
trash can although I have no idea what the weight limitations would be.
Others have discouraged you because of potential problems with
pedestrians, theft, directional stability or traction in adverse weather
conditions. These are the very same objections raised at the turn of
the 20th century when automobiles were introduced. Given the 100+ year
success of the automobile perhaps those objections are not
I think your idea has merit particularly for the elderly or infirm and
even for those just not wanting to dash out in the rain. While it
clearly won't be suitable for every geograhic variation, or affordable
for many initially, I think there are still many millions of homes that
would comprise a market for the product.
Success in the eye of the beholder.
"Potential problems with pedestrians" means tens of thousands dead
every year in the U.S. I have no idea the worldwide toll. Yeah, cars
are great. If you had any other product that killed as many people as
cars do, it would be off the market in a heartbeat.
Drive your fat American ass to McDonald's and honk at some of those
pesky pedestrians along the way.
Having a bad day Kell?
Good or bad, and I'm not judging which it is, automobiles have been a
success from the standpoint of sales and marketing - the benchmark of
commercial success, which is what an inventor would most likely be
concerned with. I don't why you would think that I consider pedestrians
to be "pesky" as I am often one myself or how you would know how fat my
ass is (would you like a photo?) but beauty is, as you say, in the eyes
of the beholder. While I don't eat at McDonalds, it too is a commercial
success. McDonalds biggest growth area - as well as the automobile's for
that matter - is in countries OTHER than the USA. This trend shows that
the ROW seems to want to emulate the USA. BTW, I have a number of UK
friends, all of whom fall into two categories; the ones who have
emmigrated to the US and the ones that want to.
One has to wonder why anyone, other than a Usenet Troll, who is so
adamantly opposed to an automation product concept like a robot would be
lurking in an automation newsgroup.
I didn't claim that it does. The OP wants to invent something that will
be commercially viable and useful to some segment of the population. Who
are we to pass judgement on whether it's "good for you?"
BTW, McDonalds does not "cause obesity." PEOPLE overeating and making
poor dietetic choices causes obesity. McDonalds never claimed to be a
health food store!
No, you bigoted euro-id10t. A lot of overweight people had medical
problems first. This limits their physical activity. If you simply
reduce the calories in the diet, your body thinks you are starving and
will digest muscle tissue instead of fat. I had high blood pressure and
circulation problems long before I put on any extra weight. I eat as
little as I can, and walk as much as i can, but I still have a weight
problem. If I eat any less than my prescribed diet I get quite ill and
spend a lot of time in bed because I can no longer walk. Read a little
about the problem instead of damming an entire nation.
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
Right, it all has to do with your health status. I consume an estimated
6,000 calories per day and remain on the lean side because I can
metabolize that amount and the diet is basically sound nutritionally. If
I ate less I would become lethargic and begin storing fat.
After our failed attempt to retake Cuba in the 60's, we embargoed the island
and its sugar. Americans were switched to a diet high in "natural"
sweeteners made from corn syrup. Some research is beginning to indicate it
may not have been a one-to-one replacement for sugar. In fact,
high-fructose corn syrup may act more like fat than sugar in the body:
[registration required :-( ]
Fair use snippet: "Fructose is a different story. It "appears to behave more
like fat with respect to the hormones involved in body weight regulation,"
explains Peter Havel, associate professor of nutrition at the University of
California, Davis. "Fructose doesn't stimulate insulin secretion. It doesn't
increase leptin production or suppress production of ghrelin. That suggests
that consuming a lot of fructose, like consuming too much fat, could
contribute to weight gain." Whether it actually does do this is not known
"because the studies have not been conducted," said Havel."
All of this stuff's long-term effects have never really been studied in any
detail. Other studies implicate it in a process called "pancreatic
I'm willing to bet the public cost of consuming corn syrup will dwarf
tobacco's. American kids eat it from birth.
You make it sound like everyone in the US os overweight.
I used to be on a 3300 to 3500 calorie a day diet. These days it
ranges from 1500 to 1800 calories. Any less and I get so weak I can
barely get out of bed. I made a mistake and listened to a VA doctor and
TRIED to go on his prescribed 1100 calorie a day diet. It put me in bed
for several weeks. I went back to the diet I had worked out for myself
and started feeling better. I actually put on over 10 pounds while on
the 1100 calorie diet, because I couldn't do anything and my body
thought I was starving.
When I finally saw a VA dietitian she looked at my menus, with full
details on calories, fat, vitamins and minerals. She looked them over
and told me to add a half a glass of orange juice and not to change
anything else. She asked where and how I came up with the diet. I told
her that I had experimented with different foods to find what made me
feel the best, and still met the other requirements. A lot of my
favorite foods are now only eaten on one of the two meals a month that I
allow myself to eat what I want, and not watch the portions so closely.
If I overdo it one one of those meals I can't eat breakfast the next
day, and sometimes lunch before I feel hungry. When that happens I eat
just enough to take my medication for diabetes and high blood pressure.
You can't take them without food in the stomach.
BTW, I have been on International Drive in Orlando quite a few times
and from what I saw, we are not the only ones with weight problems. It
is an area full of discount and factory outlet stores where there are a
lot more foreign tourists than locals. From what I saw, I think that
the tour bus company and car rental agencies should have charged them by
the pound. It was kind of funny watching someone jabbering in a foreign
language while they had a half dozen cameras bouncing off their big gut.
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
It's not. This is a myth created by the CDC. Not an intentional myth, but
an overhyping of research data which were found to be faulty. Using the CDC
criterion Will Smith fit into the Obese category. An overzealous press
trumpeted the story for a couple of months, and when the story became old
the mistake was uncovered, only by then nobody was interested and the press
didn't want to lose face.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113975,00.html (yes, I know not
everyone likes Fox news, but the facts are right about the CDC)
The U.S. media will point out any problem in the U.S. first, and this
information is broadcast all over the world. CNN, Fox, etc. will tell you
about the health of U.S. citizens, but they will only infrequently tell you
of similar trends in Europe or anywhere else.
Not too many months back it was in the UK and European press that weight
gain was as much, if not moreso, a problem in Europe than the U.S. I know
because I visit every year.
1. The world as a whole is now richer than it ever has been.
People are able to spend more money on anything including food. Snack foods
and treats were rare when I was young, and just weren't as available as they
2. People are living longer due to new medical and drug treatments.
The CDC and the WHO along with researchers the world over conquer problem
after problem, until the #1 impediment to good health is now seen(or at
least was for a couple of months) as bad diet and lack of
excersize(spellcheck?). This is only the next domino to knock down, and so
it gets the press. I wonder what the #1 cause of death will be when the
average lifespan is 85?
Now, don't believe everything you read, and don't throw around the latest
disinformation in a defamitory way just because you can't bother to look up
I want to do something similiar. But I wanted the bot to leave it at the
curb. And getting the can off itself and onto the curb seemed too hard.
I planned on making the robot big enough so the can rides in the center and
the bot could lift and lower it into place. It could also bring multiple
cans to the curb, one at a time. (And I wouldn't have to worry about
someone walking away with it either.)
Also, it has to be waterproof. There's nothing worse than dragging your
garbage cans to the curb in the pouring rain.
Don't bother. Just automate the can or a carrier. The downside, of course,
would be getting the trash guys to leave the damned thing upright so it
could return to storage. Somehow robotwars comes to mind with automatic
I don't think it'd be all that good an idea to attach the motor/carrier
directly to a can. The way they smack around the cans would wreak havoc on
any sort of motorized assembly.
Better to leave the cans separate and try to find ways to encourage them
being put back into the carrier. If you're dealing with being disabled it
might be reasonable to ask the guys on the truck and/or the dispatch office
to help a little more than usual. No guarantees, of course, and not all
areas have cooperative personnel. But it'd be worth asking.
I don't think it's that hard. Put it on a flat bed small wheel
slow moving bot. When the bot gets to position, a jack screw
raises one end of the bed, creating a ramp. A push arm slides the
can(s) to the ground. The bot goes back to it's loaction at the
house, leaving teh cans behind. When empty, the disabled person
has a better ability to bring them back him/herself. Alternatively,
the bot and the person both go to the empty can, the person loads
it on the bot, and the bot rolls it back. Obviously the degree/
type of disability could prevent the problem. But for those who
just can't carry a loaded can, some form of mechanized aid
similar to what's being discussed may be practical.
What I don't see as viable is leaving the bot "out there"
for thieves/vandals enjoyment.
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