I have a very long drive to my gas supplier. As my OA tanks draw down, I am rethinking my situation.
I never weld or flame cut steel, I only braze.
My heat requirement is to join bicycle sized tubing and bed frame angle steel.
Has anyone used a medical oxygen generator as a source for brazing oxygen?
If so, how many liters/minute are required for my heat requirement?
All hints/comments appreciated.
BoyntonStu
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Keith Marshall
Can't answer your questions but if you happen to have a Tractor Supply store anywhere near you they now carry welding gas and will swap out your tanks for a very reasonable price. And they'll take any other suppliers' tanks on trade; you just have to sign something stating that you are the owner of the tank(s).
Some Northern Tool & Equipment stores have it now as well but I think ALL of the Tractor Supply stores carry it now.
They both carry this brand:
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Roger Duncan
Medical oxygen generator doesn't produce pure enough oxygen for welding torch let alone cutting torch.
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Peter Fairbrother
Yep, I do it all the time.
I only do small stuff with a small torch though, a Minox No 2, larger than a jewellers torch but not full-size. Perhaps a little larger than those Bernzomatic ones with disposable cylinders. I _could_ braze bed frame angle with it, at a push, but I'd prefer something a bit bigger. I use butane just because it's easier for me.
My oxygen consumption at full blast is a bit under 1 lpm.
I have a DeVilbiss 5 lpm concentrator, cost £170 nearly-new on eBay. It's way more capacity than I need for my small torch - I could run six of them off it.
I wouldn't expect you'd have any problems using a 5 lpm concentrator.
If it's any help, 5 lpm is about 11 scfh. Looking at some tip charts, that's comfortably enough to weld 1/8th inch steel, so brazing bedframes should be a breeze.
I also expect you could build a gas accumulator without very much difficulty if the flow rate from the concentrator isn't enough or you have to do an occasional bigger job. I sometimes fill party balloons with oxygen when I want to do a job away from the concentrator. Remember, the oxygen concentrator can happily work 24/7/52.
Just don't start using compressors unless they are designed for oxygen - that will get you dead.
three things - concentrators are bigger, use more juice, and are noisier than you'd expect (or than I naively expected) (though I live in the quiet countryside, no cars, the birdies are chirping as I type). I keep meaning to put it in the attic and plumb the oxygen in, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
that said, I am delighted with mine. One of my best purchases (it was cheap too!)
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Peter Fairbrother
Eh? Where did you get that idea? You don't need more than 90% pure for welding/cutting. 80% or less will do in a pinch.
The oxygen from a medical concentrator is usually better than 98% pure. Sure, at high flows it goes down to maybe 95%, but that's still plenty.
I use it all the time.
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stu
Peter,
Many thanks for the person who has been there and done it!
Is the Oxygen used directly from the concentrator to the torch or do you use a regulator?
Are there safety precautions to consider?
Approximately how much pressure does it deliver?
I like your independent attitude and youir practicality.
BoyntonStu
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Peter Fairbrother
Directly. A propane regulator will be useful, and possibly essential, but an oxygen regulator is not needed.
I use butane and don't use any regulators at all - this means I have to adjust the torch after a while as the tank gets cold and the pressure drops. No biggie, but it's one more thing to think about while brazing, so you might well do better using a propane regulator. Especially if you already have one!
I use one-way valves, mainly because I had them already. Should probably use flashback arrestors too, but I don't. I would if I used a big propane bottle.
I don't really need the one-way valve on the oxygen line, as there is another one in the concentrator, but it's always wisest not to trust valves.
dunno, a few psi - plenty to run a welding torch, but probably not enough for a cutting torch.
Just looked it up - 8.5 psig.
Hmmm, 8.5 psi and 11 scfh - it might just be possible to cut maybe 16g sheet, if you could find a suitable nozzle - Ernie?
I'm also told that it's wiser to not to run a concentrator at more than 80% capacity, as it will last longer that way.
However, as they are reckoned to last 100,000 + hours, and I have mine switched on for about an hour a day, that's not going to worry me overmuch.
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