Ah, a new word in my vocabulary, Continental F 163 ...............
Are these parts available at suppliers like Caterpillar and other
manufacturers that used these engines? I am going to go on the prowl this
week and check on the availability of parts locally.
Is it necessary to buy "CONTINENTAL" parts for the price they want, or are
there generic substitutes? I know the substitutes at cheapo auto stores
aren't very good in a lot of cases, but sometimes they just want too much
for some things that have a popular brand name on them.
I have a rule. I only buy liquids, and a few other unimportant items at the
discount auto stores. If I really need a hard item (hard as in being other
than a liquid) I go to stores like NAPA, or stores that sell brand names
cheaper like good spark plugs at Pep Boys. I am expecting that on a few
items, Continental may be the ONLY manufacturing source.
The hoses are shot, but look like I could substitute flex hoses without
going for the factory Continental hoses. Unless these hoses are available
at not much more, then it would be senseless to put the cheaper hoses on
As I get into this, I'm sure there are going to be Lincoln and Continental
ONLY parts, but just how much generic is available without paying high
premium spendy rates for the brand name? Hilti and Onan come to mind. Is
Continental a name that is recognized at the cheap stores for such things as
points, condenser, distributor cap, plugs, etc.?
I can see that there's going to be a lot of tuning up and hose changing just
to see if this is going to spin and fire. I don't mind spending bucks on
good parts, but not when they're many times parts that are just as good and
a lot less.
I have Googled and found all sorts of parts up to a total engine rebuild
kit. Just wondering if I should spend more for brand name, or if generic is
good. Or even available.
It's going to be a fun week.
I have not tried to buy any parts directly from Continental and in fact I am
not sure whether they still support these old motors with parts. You can
generally get Federal Mogul, Hastings, FelPro, and other good name brand
parts from NAPA or AutoZone, Advance, etc..
Belts, hoses, radiators, ignition parts, etc., will not be Continental parts
and anything of a recognized brand that fits should work fine. There were a
lot of different water pumps depending on the application so if you need a
new one compare it carefully with the old one.
You may encounter a problem at some auto parts stores because their computer
systems are only set up for modern automobiles and they do not stock parts
for older or industrial applications. It will take a while but you will
learn whether your local sources can help you. If you have one, make friends
with a local fork-lift repairman as he is fairly likely to either have parts
or know good places to get them.
'Bob' already said this, but I'm going to reiterate.
Napa auto caters to farm and industrial users, so they'll have parts for
the motor. Some of the parts you mention will be common to any similar
Continental motor, some (like radiator hoses) will be quite specific to
your application, and some (like distributors & wires) may have been
chosen from a Chinese menu by the equipment manufacturer when they
designed in the motor.
If you're in luck the part store will have your welder in the books, and
will be able to pull parts just for it. If you're _really_ in luck
you'll get one of those good counter-men who seem to know everything
about everything, and can not only pull the parts you ask for without
referencing the computer, but can go on to tell you what other parts
Whenever I'm doing a big job on a piece of equipment and I'm getting a
pile of parts, I always ask the counter guy "OK, look at this pile and
tell me what _other_ parts are probably shot that I haven't noticed
yet*". About 1 in 4 (or 5) will be able to recommend other parts that
I've taken off in my tear down and should just replace on general
principals -- I give those guys my return business.
* In your case the guy may pull out an exploded view of your whole
welder, but it's a risk you'll have to take.
Thanks. I pulled into an industrial parts supplier today in the big city
that looked like they would know. There were about four guys behind the
counter and about four customers, and the guy said, "Oh, go to American such
and such over by the ATV place." All the others chimed in, "Yeah, they got
everything for those engines." I have a starting place. But tomorrow, I'll
probably just go to my local town (small farming place) NAPA and start there
and see what I can do there without driving twenty miles.
Parts stores are a funny place. Usually in fifteen seconds both sides of
the counter has sized up the other, and go from there.
My experience with Continental, Wisconsin, and even Kohler engines AND older
equipment is - don't worry about it, unless NAPA doesn't have it.
You can usually get a better deal on mainstream auto parts elsewhere, but
NAPA has a much better handle on industrial, construction and farm equipment
(especially the older stuff) than anyone else. Even though they are a bit
higher on most items, it seems it's always worth shopping there first on
this kind of stuff.
I agree. I often need Kohler parts, the Kohler distributor is not
particularly convenient. But the NAPA regional distribution warehouse
about 4 miles from me, has most of the common items I need. The parts
are all in books, nothing on-line. So the old guy always has to show the
new clerk where to look for stuff.
I went to NAPA and played Stump The Counter Guy, and he didn't fall for it.
He knew exactly what I wanted, and parts numbers, and lots of stuff. I took
it apart today. Lots of varnished gas in there. Needs a tune up. So, I'm
just going to go the whole route of plugs, points, condenser, rotor, cap,
wires, and a list of other stuff. If the hoses are not that expensive, and
they have them, I'll just go ahead and replace the hoses, too.
I suspect that you may have trouble finding the correct molded lower rad
hose. The upper hose is fairly straight and you should be able to find a
similar hose and cut it to length (I suggest you try to salvage as much of
the old one as you can as a sample) or if you must you can use a universal
hose. However the lower hose is much more of a custom piece and IMHO it is
worth the effort to source the correct part. IIRC, I have only been able to
find them from welder dealers $$$ and from continental shops that do a lot
of welder work. I think the Gates part number is 20465, try to see if you
can get NAPA to order if possible.
Good luck, YMMV
Your note has been noted and stored in my welding file. I got some parts
today, and some had to be ordered. The starter checked out ok, but the
battery was DOA. With a new battery, and the cables all cleaned up, it spun
the motor no problemo. Oil shot out the side outlet where the line goes to
the remote filter. I got some of the new goodies in, but have to wait until
tomorrow for points, rotor, cap, and some hosing. Tomorrow I should be able
to fire it up.
I asked about the hoses today. The ones on there actually look fine, so I'm
going to run it and see what happens. The guy said if I wanted hoses to
just bring in the old ones, and they'd match them to the picture. The NAPA
in my little town does a lot of business with the local farmers and
ranchers, and were amazingly knowledgeable on getting me parts. They had
some of the parts, others come tomorrow. I am confident in them that they
can get everything I need.
When I went to add water, it took only about a quart, then green water shot
out, meaning it had plenty of water and antifreeze in it. I'm still going
to drain the water and oil tomorrow and flush some through as (and IF) it
runs and start with new fluids. I have an idea on cleaning the gas tank,
and the clean tank and a cleaned out glass sediment bowl filter assembly
will go back on.
Hope I get lucky and I drop the distributor into the right orientation (it
can only go right or 180 out) and that the updraft carb will work without
disassembly and rebuild. After that, clean it up and get some paint on it
and do some trailer mods and painting.