Safety chain

So, just don't have an accident. It's not that hard - just make sure that whatever you do, you do it on purpose. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

AND, if you're alone on a deserted woodsy stretch of Interstate, does it make a sound?

You're DEEP, JC.

Steve

Heart surgery pending? Read up and prepare. Learn how to care for a friend.

In case you need it in the future. In any case it's a lot easier to snap on a 50 cent carabiner than cut the chain.

So the safety chains are there to protect against "incidents"?

"J. Clarke" wrote

The way that the chain is put on to the shackle with two links on the pin is incorrect rigging wise. And that 50 cent carabineer will likely never be found in case of an incident. You might as well use baling wire and save fifty cents.

Steve

True enough. Unless one uses a $40 carabiner

Gunner, who has a number of $40 carabiners....

I am the Sword of my Family and the Shield of my Nation. If sent, I will crush everything you have built, burn everything you love, and kill every one of you. (Hebrew quote)

Ooooh!! Indeed! Kharmic!!!

Gunner

I am the Sword of my Family and the Shield of my Nation. If sent, I will crush everything you have built, burn everything you love, and kill every one of you. (Hebrew quote)

Have you always been such an ass or did you have to study?

technomaNge

No, they are to prevent "incidents" from turning into "accidents" I dropped the camping trailer off the ball one day and the properly installed chain kept the trailer behind me untill I pulled over and rehitched.

My brother's boat tailer came off his pickup and the improperly installed chains allowed the trailer to make one heck of a mess of the back of his truck, as well as damaging the prow of the boat. He was able to get the truck in front of the loose runaway trailer and get both stopped, together, just off the side of the road with the tongue of the trailer in the box of the truck, through the tailgate.

My incident was just an incident. His was an incident with damage - which could also be loosely classed as an accident.

If either had gotten away, they would likely have caused a real accident.

He's likely got his BA or BS without the ci

Plonk. You've not contributing, you're trolling. Say hi to my filters.

What's the name of those that use a screw type closure? I've always had bad luck with them deforming if a big load was put on them, or the threads getting boogered. They just don't seem that strong, but the rigging experiences I dealt with were up to 350 tons. Never saw one there, but saw six inch shackles. (6" dia. pin.)

I know the carabiners they use for climbing are good, but one does not see a lot of them in the regular market, and the keychain types would be lucky to hold 25#.

Steve

My SIL got a darn nice "hole" in the back gate of his new Denali right by the latch from the tongue of a trailer he was hauling a Joyner Trooper UTV on. Seems he didn't push down the lever that locks the ball on there. Doh!

He's just a tad hyper when it comes time to go.

Nice "hole." Nice. He's jackknifed two of my trailers, so he's pretty much banned from my stuff.

Steve

I have a box of Miller safety carabiners and stuff of that sort for tree climbers. They are plenty strong. The best part is I got them from a trash pile (at Fermilab), for free obviously.

For attaching safety chains to the truck, though, I would just use latch hooks.

Which "two links on the pin"?

What of it? It is not structural, its only purpose is to keep the loose end from dragging on the ground.

Baling wire will work fine.

That's nice, but irrelevant to the contention that they served some purpose in an accident.

And once again it's nice but has no relevance to their function in an accident.

Did he collide with something, roll over, drive off an overpass, or have some other such event occur prior to the trailer doing damage to his vehicle? If not then the chains had no function in an "accident" other than to be the proximate cause of one.

That is different from having to function during one.

Which again has no relevant to the contention that the chains must function DURING AN ACCIDENT.

Nope, BME.

I find it fascinating though that calling you people on your bullshit makes one an "ass".

Either trailer chains have to be strong enough to serve some function in an "accident", which most people would infer to mean a collision of some kind, a rollover, or some other event that would cause damage to the towing vehicle even if there were no trailer present, or they do not have to be strong enough to serve some function in such an event.

If they do have to be strong enough to serve some function in such an event then I would like to know what their function would be.

The fact that when asked about this point you people start calling me an "ass" and quibbling over the definition of "accident" and going off on asides about how the chains keeping the trailer in trail will _prevent_ an accident shows that you really did not think through your statement about their function _during_ an accident but you aren't man enough to back down gracefully and admit that you area aware of no such functional requirement.

Fascinating. I take the time to take pictures to show how to shorten a chain and everybody gets angry with me.

Fuckwads.

So tell me on brilliant genius. In my photo, how much load is the carabiner going to experience and why?