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**************************************************************** This poll is to try to help show the AMA that its members care who represents them on the World Championship Level. US Teams need to be made up from US Citizens first and foremost. If there is not enough US Citizens to field a team then and only then we should we allow others to go as Americans. We have hundreds of great pilots that will probably never see a World Champs already, due to the incredible competition that we have amongst just the American pilots. Now they want to open the field so that any resident can compete. Thats just not fair to the people that were citizens first. Many Countries have citizenship as the standard for being able to compete and the US needs to adopt the same.

I assure you this is much more to me then the finish order of any contest. This is about being proud to being an American , as well as being a US Citizen. Remember: A US Citizen pledges allegance to the flag, to where as a resident does not.

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Posts: 682 Joined: 12/7/2002 From: Sierra Vista, AZ, USA Status: offline I have thought long and hard about making this post but have decided to share just a few things (FACTS) that RANDOMLY happened to us while in France.

  1. Random draw CPLR flew one behind me in the Qualifying. Then with another Random Draw he flw right behind me in all 4 Finals rounds, we never rotated apart. (The random Draw was the CD and a Witness behind closed does)

  1. Jason managed to be randomly drawn to lead off rounds 4,6,9 (3 out of 10 not bad)

  2. Finals round 1 flying scandalous I scored a 536.92 placing 3rd and then being dropped 23 normalized points to 4th 17 behind Roland. Roland had a average of 525.00 to start with. That movement is not possible as I did not a a judge that was high on my sheets, they were all within a couple percent.

  1. I Flew Scandalous Beating Roland by 2 points in the unknown average, and fell just a little further behind after TBL.

  2. I flew Genesis in the second round of the F Sequence and it was the first time I flew that model through the entire sequence. keep in mind there were
20 judges in three groups that saw 17 Manuevers with a combined K of 67. I scored that round a 536.92 exactley the same as the one before flown with scandalous

  1. It is true that Naruke early on at least scored Onda and the other Japanese close to 100 points average higher the the other 4 judges that were with him. TBL did not change there scores.

  2. The judges are not picked from all around the world like Troy seems to think by any means, they are picked by the Contest director from a very large pool that was submitted to them by Bob Skinner. This is who we had from around the world. 16 European Judges 14 french speaking 2 German, 1 Australian, 1 American, 1 Canadian, and 1 from Argentina. None of the judges that gave CPLR a zero in Poland or anywhere else were judging this time as they had been removed. They were there however talking very freely about what they had been told by the CD upon removal and Bob Skinner confirmed it to be true.

  1. I asked Bob Skinner after seeing that the TBL program had been modified, apparently by the CD's brother, requested that we enter my scores under the CPLR name his pilot number and list the country as France just so we could all see there was no funny business. Seemed simple enough, but they dissappeared and never returned. That was four my round 4 qualifing flight that was the best I could fly. The judges saw it as something like a 575 average and CPLR a 594 and Onda was like a 560. That was the round Onda normalized a 991 CPLR 1000 and I had my best round with a 965. 1 point did not make that difference, like indicated in Troys answer it would take about

18 average points which is 35 normalized. and thats huge.

Now with this all said CPLR is a great champion and a good friend that deserved to win, however he will be the first to say not every round. The Japanese are a strong team and even through I believe inside we were better they are the champions for now and great ones at that.

Its over now and now we can all start thinking about Arg. in a couple of years. Hopefully we can clarify a few things to avoid some of these situations and make the 07 Worlds one we can all be proud of. I would like to give a special thanks to a great caller that didn't miss a beat (Trent Byrd) as well as to the sponsors that provided equipment that worked flawlessly. (Hacker, Airtronics,Thunderpower, Aeromodel, Zap, CA Models, Hyde Mounts, Kirbys custom vinyl, Truturn, and APC) Thank you!!!

Chip

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Six_O'Clock_High
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xOn Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:54:03 GMT, "Six_O'Clock_High"

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Abel Pranger

Boy, you got that right - twice...

Reply to
Six_O'Clock_High

Hmmm. Do these people get corporate sponsorships because they are that good, or are they that good because they have corporate sponsors? :-)

Red S.

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Red Scholefield

The AMA spends about $2 of each members dues on FAI. Should the amount of non-citizen AMA members be subtracted and be required of those what want citizens only to make up those funds? Maybe every AMA member should be required to have a passport to prove US citizenship before allowing them to be AMA members.

Remember, the AMA is the CIAM rep to FAI through NAA. Only seems fair that if being a member of the AMA and complying with the rules of the FAI is not enough, the competitors should have to subsidize themselves to that extent.

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J_R

Yo Hoss-

Check out the carrots hanging out there on pp 8,33,123 of the Jan '06 MA. Ad revenue having been of expressed interest to you, how do you feel about QuiQue Aircraft Company's investment in free enterprise via

2 1/2 pages of ads in MA? American businessman and AMA member that has been US F3A National Champion 3 times ................hmmmmm.

Abel

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Abel Pranger

ROFLOL!

Abel,

Haven't you heard? THAT is just a trivial detail which has no bearing on the root issue!

If you don't believe me, look at the treads that were recently closed down, and closed down again, and again on the other forum. Most of them sprayed the fertilizer (thank you Fred) over someone who seems to be afraid of his flying prowess. >snicker snicker<

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Six_O'Clock_High

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 05:10:59 GMT, "Six_O'Clock_High" and closed down again, and again on the other forum. Most of them sprayed

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Abel Pranger

Hi Abel, Sure HC would love it better if everyone agreed with him. I suspect Fred has not decided what venue to be involved with as he is not one to stand still for others changing the words from him. Speaking of that, you shoud see the smooth talk horse manure I got as an expanation of why Bubba edited my post. Talk about the gang that could not shoot straight!

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Six_O'Clock_High

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