Venture 60 build thread

Guys, I thought I would move the discussion to a sort of an "official" build thread.
The reason I do this is because right out of the starting gate I'm
running into problems, the answers to which I simply forget. Overall. I've forgotten how complex a task it is to assemble a kit such as this --and do it right....a quality build. Sure it's possible to slap a kit together quickly and it may fly fine, quite another matter to produce a square, quality build. Hope that's ok with everybody.
I'll start with a few items: 1) It turns out that my old building board is useable. The surface is not pristine, as noted above, but by the time I lay the plans and wax paper on it I think it will be ok. A trivial note, ultimately.
2) Ok...here's one that already has me flummuxed: Do I cut the plans up with scissors into its constituent parts -- wing, fuse, etc. ? I know I've done this before and see no way around it. The shear size and layout of the plans seem to make it unavoidable, and I see no down side. I know I did it at least with my (deceased) Lanier Stinger 40.
I don't know, maybe this is a dumb question. Minimally, I see no option but to cut out the wing plan section.
3) In the original thread, the question of dual aileron servos was brought up. MK noted that a single servo has worked successfully for years, true enough. I've always used 2 dual servos but wonder if it's really necessary with a plane like the V60.
Well...herein I present some initial confusions. All comments and deviations welcome. Interesting about others having V60s on the shelf, the Uproar, etc., a pending 60 Hots repair. Small world indeed. Regards, Dave
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I can't begin to relate to you how much I hate using torque rods in any model airplane (single wing servo).
Yes, it can be made to work, but why? Servos are cheap and accomodating a servo in each wing is so easy. Plus, if you increased the chord of the ailerons by at least a factor of two, you can use those ailerons to enhance the wing's lift, or to slow the model down by using them as spoilers. Yes, this requires the use of a computer radio. Do they even sell the other kind any longer?
Ed, NM2K
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Yes, Ed -- The reasons you list are why I've always used dual servos. There is a slight penalty weight penalty, but maybe not. I don't even think it's mechanically less complex to use a single servo. My first kit, a CG Eagle II, called for a single servo and detested the control horn arrangement so much that I fashioned and elaborate shaft arrangement for torque transmission. Would have used dual servos in retrospect. Dave WA3URR

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Dave:
Geez, its nice to have someone run interference before the rest of us hit the trouble spots. Your questions are good ones; ones that I have been asking myself and putting aside since I haven't started the project yet.
I didn't cut the uproar plans apart, but I can see where they would be easier to manage if I did cut them. But I don't know what the normal procedure is with a large set of plans. Thanks for asking the question.
Your third question will probably be more important, but not as easy a decision. I remember that one of the guys recommended a reliable servo if only one is used for the ailerons. To me, that means beefy (and expensive). I'm not sure what I'm going to do when it comes time for that decision, but since we are putting all of this time into the build, I will probably make the decision in favor of the safest way to do it rather than trying to save a few bucks.
We await comments from you guys who have long whiskers relative to building.
Harlan

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It is SOOO much easier to separate the wing plan. DO it!!!

I don't know exactly what '2 dual servos' means. If you mean 1 servo in each wing for the ailerons, then I believe that is what you should do. The weight penalty is minimal. You end up with a short stiff linkage and you put the force of the servo in the center of the aileron, which I think reduces the torquing of the aileron at high speed.
Ed
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Yes, of course. I've built the following CG Eagle II Spickler Q-500 (46SF and mac pipe) Lanier Stinger 40 (Enya 45, wimpy) Midwest Superhots self-designed, scratch - built powered glider (OS10) ...
....And now I pretty much remember cutting up the plans for all of them. Not sure why I questioned that step, but the V60 plans are now cut up like crazy!
Oh yes--"2 dual servos" was an error. I meant dual servos--exactly as you describe: each aileron receiving a dedicated servo. This I will do.
A few notes: The wing strikes me as being much larger than I'd envisioned, but envisioned things are frequently wrong. Anyway, that thing would probably fly with half a dozen bays chopped off, maybe more.
Regarding kit quality. Many have said it's top notch, and I must agree. Very nice machining, especially the ribs, which come pinned together. Neat. The plans are straight (Wing). Nicely packed. This is a product that is the result of much thought and work. It's obvious.
Finally, I will try to chronicle this build in some fashion. I've got the wing plan and wax paper tacked to the board, and that's it. I wasted a lot of time agonizing over building a new building board, which really wasn't necessary (I hope!) I also had to fashion some new sanding blocks, 150 and 220 glued to MDF pieces. It takes a while to tool-up for a new build after so many years.
I know there are a ton build threads in RCU.
I've got some initial test pictures I'll attempt to post in alt.binaries.model.scale. Dave
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Enya makes a .45 CX that will reshrink the Monokote on that Stinger while flying, IF it is tuned slightly leaner than you normally lean an engine (Why? It's AAC) and IF you use a good 10x6 prop and nothing larger.
I haven't messed with their SS.45 engines as yet, so I can't comment on them. Their older .45 engines, except for the "X", were kind of conservative on power production, but they could last for decades worth of average use.
Ed Cregger
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do you know anything about the older eagle 2 trainer/sports plane? som
guy down here in la came up with a lot of old planes in a box and ended up with the eagle 2. if you know anyone who has plans please as them for me. my name is luke. im kinda new to this so..
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I'll get back to you. Might be in my shop. mk

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I may have a set too...
PCPHill

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I have that kit and plans. There are 2 folded pland and a manuel. They are copywrited. How would I get Luke copies? mk
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MJKolodziej Wrote:

Great Planes bought up Goldberg. Perhaps they would give you permissio to send copies to Glowplug12? (I doubt it
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Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge:

Enjoy the plane, it has been discontinued, not temporarily out of stock - discontinued
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Ted Campanelli Wrote:

Where did you hear that? Can't find that info any where here http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/index.html . The arf is in stock a Tower : http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDJE4&P=0 an the kit is expected to be in stock in late November at Tower http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDJB9&P=0 .
Since Goldberg is now part of Great Planes. You would think the info o the plane being discontinued would be on Towers site somewhere
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He meant the Venture 60 has been discontinued. I got a kit when they were re-issued last time but its still a bummer.
On a flying miracle note, I had the rx pack fail in my Super Sportster 20 during flight today. Where we fly there is a drop-off at the end of the field that leads down to a flood basin. I lost control of the plane and it was diving straight down to the ground when I lost sight of it below the drop. As it vanished from sight I was giving full up on the elevator with no apparent response. Once it went below the horizon I killed the throttle hoping the engine might survive the impact and braced myself for the inevitable impact. Suddenly it re-appeared going straight up! I threw the throttle back to full to maintain speed, re-oriented the plane and tried to bring it back to me. On its way back to me, it rolled over and dove for the ground once again. Full up, no sign of response and it dove below the horizon again. Killed the throttle again and started towards where I figured the impact crater had just formed. It popped up again!!!!! This time I gave it half throttle and brought it back towards me trying to keep it in the air but bring it down on the deck at the same time. Had to circle the field twice fighting it the whole way to get it to land. Ugly landing, with a lot of hops and bounces before it finally came to a stop and nosed over. When I got to it, there was barely any control surface movement. I could get a little rudder and elevator but extremely sluggish and no aileron response or throttle at all.
I have no idea how I got it back in once piece. I have no idea how close it actually got to the ground before climbing back up or how far it traveled during each disappearance. It should have been toast both times it vanished.
Uh, that was pretty much it for me and flying today after that...
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Wow, good story! mk
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New rx batts on order from Batteries America this morning. I only own so many changes of underwear...
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And probably one one SS 20 :) mk

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Actually, I have a second SS20 still in the box along with several SS40 kits and an SS60 kit. But I still woulda cried while digging the bits outta the crater...

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I often make my own receiver packs. Does anyone know of a place to order connectors, or connectors with a heavier than normal wires, for use on larger packs?
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