Drilling/tapping the ends of long stuff on a vmc or BP

Awl --
For those of us without cnc lathes, or right-angle heads, drilling/tapping long stuff axially can be a real pain -- well, at least for hack matchinists
such as myself, and effing morons like jb.
Even with cnc lathes, iffin you don't have live tooling, a non-spinning drill presents real problems, at least for me, ito chip evacuation, as well as adequate coolant. Thus, I like to do as many of these tasks on a vmc as I can.
A BP (and some drill presses) allows you to hang long stuff over the side, but this is its own pita.
I have found a way to axially drill/tap the ends of long material pretty accurately, up to mebbe 20" long, in a vmc.
The Fadal has a stock Z of about 19", *plus* 4" travel above the tool carousel (machine Z0), for a total of 23".
However, a short tool holder + a stubby drill or tap subtracts at least 3" from this, thus the 20" limit.
Now, I mount a collet chuck on a frame made from 1x3 alum (I inherited about 1500 lbs of this, in 3' lengths -- goodgawd), with the vertical members being quickly unboltable, for various heights.
The bottom horizontal member is also interchangeable, for attaching directly to the table, or in a single vise, or "half off" a vise (for rod clearance clear down to the table), or between two vises. The horizontal alum of course need a hole in line with the collet chuck barrel.
Now, the collet chuck can be positioned in height so that the minimum amount of material protrudes.
Natcherly, the higher the collet chuck, the less rigid the setup will be, but for drilling/tapping and lite facing etc, this is not really an issue, and 1x3 alum is plenty strong.
The other way to go about this is to mount one of them big-assed 90's to the table, plus a fixture, or even the collet chuck itself. But the above system is a lot more convenient, and versatile, given its vise-compatibility. And, can also be used on a BP, as well.
I have a ways to go before completely finishing this, as I've been displaced from le fadal for a while, but it looks very promising.
Drilling/tapping on a manual lathe is actually pretty neat, but unless you are well set up on hardinge-type stuff, it's a bear for anything approaching production. And even with the hardinge secondary stuff, deep tapped holes are not the swiftest, esp. in tough material.
Iny other idears?
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DrollTroll wrote:
> Iny other idears?
If this is for your "product" and you want to do many of the same item, then maybe a custom machine albeit a simple one might be the way to go, could even get the wife to run it;) If you want ideas how to implement it then I might be able to help ;)
Of course this is not doing it on a vmc or BP as your subject line but using those is always going to be a compromise.
Wayne.....
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DrollTroll wrote:

YOu could swing the bridgeport head over all the way and put the stuff flat on the table.
or you could sub it out to someone who has a horizontal.
John
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DrollTroll wrote:

Ever thought about adding a horizontal spindle to the Z axis? Not a right angle head, but a whole separate spindle? I'm sure it would be a chore, but at least it's an idears....
I saw a manual mill on ebay once with a spindle mounted in the base casting. Pictures didn't reveal exactly how it was done or what drove it. But it would have been perfect for edge drilling plate or end working long parts.
One of these days I want to CNC a small manual horizontal just for the occasional odd job where it would be handy.
Jon
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buy a couple of them cheap assed drill presses from say harbor freight--fasten both of them down horizontally to a bench with a tap drill in one and in the other one a tapmatic head.
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DrollTroll wrote:

DT:
    We hang long stuff off the BP's all the time. An angle plate with a side bar (bar screwed on the side of the angle plate), works well and fast. Indicate and edge find the angle plate & bar, set your part on a box, clamp the part to the angle, remove the box, and you're good to go.
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BottleBob wrote:

I use a 4" Quad vise on it's side, works great for smaller bars. Just need to take some time to make an adjustable end stop....
Jon
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Jon Anderson wrote:

Jon:
    That's a good idea.
    The end stop wouldn't need to be much more complicated than an all-thread 1/2-13 stud, screwed to the table with a nut and two more nuts on either side of a long clamp or flat bar.
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