A little detail would be nice.
The person who knows the answer to your question may not have used that
particular edition of that particular book.
Note also that following the issue on the usenet rather than your
private email would permit others to benefit, too.
I am not familiar with that book, so I don't know anything about the problem
or the answer. However, I do teach PE review classes, using another book,
and I can tell you that it has errors in it. You might want to check the
publisher's web site for any errata sheets for that text.
I graduated with a BSEE in 1997. I have not taken the EIT or PE yet, but I am
thinking about doing so. I am
somewhat concerned about the recent continuing education requirement that Ohio
places on PEs.
It seems to me that the 15 hour per year requirement may be somewhat difficult
to maintain. One PE that I know
is going to let his PE lapse due to this new CPD requirement... which is too
bad, because I wanted to have this
individual be one of my PE references!
What are the general thoughts of other engineers on this subject?
On 12/13/06 1:24 PM, in article 45806f71$0$11123$ firstname.lastname@example.org,
I think that it stinks! I have a PhD from a top notch institution. After
getting layed off twice circa 1970 I decided to get a PE license. I found
out that I did not have to take what was then the EIT (Engineer in Training
exam) because of the PhD as well as because of sufficient time in the field.
I studied for the PE exam in spare time. I passed my first try although it
had a few surprises. It had a more complicated Electrical Code question than
in the past. Also, it was the first exam not to have a problem soluble using
the method of symmetrical components for many a year.
Since then, I have worked on many different things. I educated myself using
books that were available. For example, I educated myself on infrared
systems. Part of the obligation of being a PE, is not to work outside your
area of competence.
-- Fermez le Bush
I don't like it but many states now require it. I am licensed in WV and
have had the continuing education requirement since registration in 96. I
think it is a scam put in place to support the continuing education
Charles Perry P.E.
We now have it in Illinois, and most states will eventually. I think you
should look at all of the acceptable activities... a few society meetings, a
magazine article, a few seminars, etc. A lot can be done on-line. If you are
an active, practicing engineer, it is not a big deal. I am guessing that
most of the PEs I have seen post on this group would have no problem
complying, and in fact probably participate in many of these activities
Without the intention of offending anyone, the biggest complaints I have
heard are from retirees. They don't want to spend the time on it, but they
want to keep their license. Illinois now has "PE Retired" designation which
recognizes their accomplishments. However, they can not practice engineering
unless they reinstate their license.
As engineering schools are cutting back on the hours required for a degree,
some states are also looking into requiring additional education beyond the
Bachelor degree for licensure. It all boils down to whether we want to have
the recognition that we deserve as a profession (similar to the medical
profession), or dumb it down so anyone can join.
DISCLAIMER: The above are my personal opinions and not those of the Illinois
Department of Financial & Professinal Regulation. (Necessary since I serve
on the Illinois PE Board!)
On 12/14/06 5:30 PM, in article
UbudnZ5EZ4IrZxzYnZ2dnUVZ email@example.com, "Ben Miller"
California has similar regulations. I reluctantly I pay the renewal fee on
the far out chance that I ever need to act as a PE.
I never practiced much as a PE. I did give some expert advice through a
company that paid by the contact. One time, I told the company that there
was no charge because the client knew more than I did. The company did not
like that because they make money only when the client gets charged.
-- Fermez le Bush
I got registered in NC back in '77 after I had moved to VA. Aside from
putting it on my resume, I just never used it. I had the "seal" (both the
rubber stamp and the gadget that indented the paper. The folks who made
the seal misspelled my name and I never bothered to get a replacement.
A few years ago NC started requiring "continuing education" and I let the
I took the EIT exam back in 1965 but at least at the time, the EIT exam
didn't make any real difference in my progress toward actual registration.
I wanted to "study" for the exam. The closest I came was trying to borrow
a "study book" from a guy at work and he wasn't willing to share.
I went back to NC with a new "low rent" multi-function calculator (trig
functions, logs, etc.) As soon as the exam started my calculator failed!
A fellow in the next chair over loaned me his backup, a 4-function
With ALL these problems, the actual test was a snap. The most difficult
problem was something in "industrial engineering" which required calculating
present value of future cash flows. Ordinarily that would be easy but all
I had was the 4 function calculator and some math tables. Yet, I managed
to finish the test before everyone else.
That's where the fun part truly began. I stood up and was gathering my
books, etc. to bring my exam up front to turn it in. Some woman who was
taking the exam noticed me and started to rush herself because she just HAD
to be the first out and beat all us nasty men! Of course, I had a head
start and "won."
Back then if you had a broad background you could get by with just answering
"easy" questions in each category. If you didn't have a broad background
you would be stuck with answering several questions in one category. For
example, the "easy" question in civil engineering had to do with which end
went down in an "egg shaped" culvert. The hard questions were
incomprehensible to this EE. The "easy" Chemical Engineer question was
just balancing a chemical equation (high school stuff). Etc. The "easy"
Industrial Eng. question was compound interest (in effect.) The "easy" EE
question was something like parallel resisters!
I understand things are different today but I bet that the vast majority of
EEs have no need whatsoever of a PE.
I would take exception to "vast majority". Anyone offering engineering
services to the public needs to be licensed. Anyone who consults, and deals
with the types of issues in at least 50% of the posts in this NG, needs to
be licensed. Examples include power system design, facility design including
power and industrial controls, etc. Those designing products fall under the
manufacturers exemption and do not require a license.
Actually, I almost considered it. My first instinct when I realized there
was a "race" was to speed up. But then I tried to ignore here and became
quite deliberate in my actions. OTOH, I had no desired to "hang about" so
when I got all my stuff together I took by leisurely walk to the front of
Most of the tast takers (myself not being an exception) had LOTS and LOTS of
reference material. It was an "open book" test, after all. Before she
noticed me, I'm sure I had been getting ready to leave for several minutes.
During that era I first read some material put out of Irwin Fierst
(spelling?) who formed something called the Committe of Concerned EEs. He
was a big fan of registration and pushed for laws that would set high
standards for engineers even in an industrial situation. When I met in in
an IEEE meeting sometime in the early 80s, I gave him a contribution.
I have mixed emotions about registration and about essentially having a
"union" for EEs. I don't think the public interest is all that well served
by registration. Personally, as I am a good "test taker" I would have been
better off if many jobs required the PE but the PITA factor has made me a
You should be expected to maintain pretty much *any* professional
If you work in industry, just go to some of the distributor or mfr
sponsored seminars (product ads). They'll show you the new crap
they're selling, and feed you. It's usually free or the fee is
nominal. It's stuff you should be familiar with, anyhow. You need to
know what's available when you spec your next project.
If not, just sign up for continuing ed courses at the local community
college or U. Hell, even online courses are accepted. You might learn
If you're not independent, your employer should fund your CPD--it
benefits them to have a PE on staff. Otherwise, it's a bus exp.
Read 4733.151 (linked from the page you reference)--there's a *lot* of
ways you can accumulate CPD hours. And you can carry over hours for
one year--it's not hard.
I've been logging hours from activities I've done in 2006 so I can
carry over into 2007.
Credit for university or college level coursework shall be based on the
by the university or college. One semester hour as established by the
college shall be the equivalent of forty-five hours of continuing
development, and one quarter hour as established by the university or
college shall be the
equivalent of thirty hours of continuing professional development.
Credit for seminars, workshops, or conferences, offering continuing
education units shall
be based on the units awarded by the organization presenting the
seminar, workshop, or
conference. A registrant may earn ten continuing professional
development hours for
each continuing education unit awarded.
Each hour of attendance at a seminar, workshop, or conference for which
no continuing education units are offered shall be the equivalent of
one continuing professional development hour.
A registrant may earn two continuing professional development hours for
each year of
service as an officer or active committee member of a professional or
technical society or
association that represents registrants or entities composed of
A registrant may earn ten continuing professional development hours for
authoring relevant published papers, articles, or books. A registrant
may earn ten continuing professional development hours for each such
published paper article, or book. A registrant may earn ten continuing
professional development hours for each patent award.
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