Clueless non-metalurgist seeks "short list" of alloys for resilience/anti-corrosion use

I am mostly clueless here, and need some basic hints. Steel materials properties are simply too complex to be modeled easily. First-hand experience is clearly needed.

I must select a steel alloy, but I was a physics major, so I am lost in an endless twisty maze of stress-strain curves, Young's modulus numbers, and conflicting tensile strength claims.

All I need to do is to narrow down my choices to a few commonly-available non-exotic commodity alloys, and then rationalize costs against strength.

The goal is to create a simple flat "pry bar" hand tool that will be no longer than 7 to 10 inches, and no wider than 1 to 2 inches. A minimum thickness of 11 gauge "seems reasonable", but thicker would not be a problem. A dull edge will need to be ground on the "blade", and this edge will do all the prying. (The "edge" is to allow the part to force open narrow gaps.)

I understand laser-cutting prototypes and then stamping production units. Drop-forging is something I have only heard of, and I have no idea if it is economical for production runs in the hundreds, rather than hundreds of thousands.

I looked at my own tools for good examples of the kind of stress-strain and corrosion-resistance I need, and found:

CIRCA 1977 STANLEY THIN CROWBAR (roughly 11 gauge) Made from a high nickel alloy, but has some surface rust. Clearly made from sheet stock, and then formed into a "squished S curve" to make it a "crowbar".

SEARS CRAFTSMAN CRESCENT WRENCH A forged part, said to be made of 4620 alloy.

SNAP-ON-TOOLS CRESCENT WRENCH Another forged part, said to made of 4140 alloy and then coated to avoid corrosion

SOCKET WRENCHES AND EXTENSION BARS These are said to be made of 4037 and 4137 alloys

Other Alloys that have been mentioned in the course of my research include 4130 and 6150.

Specific "corrosion resistant" alloys have also been mentioned, including 4340, 4320, and 4620.

My problems are narrowing down choices to find the optimal trade-offs between:

a) Good resilience/stress-strain, as a pry-bar that bends is useless.

b) Non-salt, non-acid, "normal outdoor exposure" corrosion resistance, as powder coats will abrade off over time, and 3xx 4xx "stainless steels" appear to both lack the required strength and are too costly. (A high-strength stainless steel would be "excellent", if it were affordable, but the communist Chinese appear to be buying up so much steel that I'm not sure we can afford "stainless".)

c) Cheap to make in 100s, maybe a thousand per batch at the most. I know that tooling for stamping would be less than $2K for a part this simple, but the stamping company appears clueless about materials, and the laser-cutting shop thought that 11 gauge 304 stainless was a "good choice", until I had them cut a sample, and bent it into a curve with my bare hands before their eyes.

So, any clues for the utterly clueless?

I had hoped to contract out:

a) Cutting the part from 48" x 96" sheets a1) With a laser cutter, or a2) By stamping

b) Remove burrs, grind the "edge", and polish a smooth finish on the surfaces

c) Tempering? This is where things get scary, as the failure mode wants to be "bend before shatter", but bending is exactly what we want to resist, up to and including putting one's foot on the pry bar, and stomping on it when trying to pry apart nailed wood.

But drop-forging is not out of the question, if this is a "must".

Thanks!

jim ( snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com)

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jim
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Reply to
David Deuchar

Thanks, that site has some good general info, but I overdosed on "knife" related info when reading the archives of rec.crafts.metalworking. Those folks are really into sharp objects. :)

There is no need for a "blade edge" on this. From what I have read, all "knife" alloys will consistently be more brittle as a result of being able to hold a "sharp edge".

I'm just looking to make a strong but flat crow-bar from "standard stock" without a lot of fancy treatment.

jim

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jim

Jim-

Seems like you've done you homework

why not just copy the

STANLEY THIN CROWBAR

11 gauge is pretty thin but I gues its ok since the tool is rather small

are you sure its high nickel?

the alloy steel 4xxx are more for wrenches & sockets etc

been mentioned, including 4340, 4320, and 4620.>>>>

I don't think of these as particularly "corrosion resistant" alloys, if they were they wouldn't need plating

One possible choice would be 301 partial hard to start additonal coldworking of mfg would boost the the yield strength (in the zones that were worked)

you want a material with a relatively high yield strength plus some yielding elongation before ultimate.

Maybe a spring steel & a heat treat.

Phosphate coat & paint

Reply to
Bob K 207

Just to throw a monkey wrench into your works... Enderes uses 1078, for everything, and they make the best rough-use tools to be had. :)

If this really is a "production run" and not a homework assignment, hire yourself a metallurgist. :/

(you can find them at ASM-International.com)

Alvin in AZ

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alvinj

No, I have not been a student for several decades.

Did you ever consider that an insightful and specific answer might lead to a short-term contract to herd this thing through the laser-cutter, the stamper, the finisher, the powder-coater, and the rest of the cast of thousands required to make a simple object from metal? Didn't you wonder why I would post an actual e-mail address to the cesspool that UseNet has become since 1995? (james POINT fischer AT SIGN google POINT com)

I SAID I was clueless and needed help, didn't I? :) If materials selection is this painful, I can only imagine what pitfalls lie ahead in the attempt to make the material into a finished item.

I thought I was merely comparing the cost trade-offs of cold working 3xx stainless versus heat-treating 4xx stainless, but things started to get complicated when looking at both "tensile" and "yield" strengths, and got worse when I started getting quotes on the current cost of stainless steel in general.

So, name your favorite material, specify your processes, wait a week or so for prototypes to be made and tested, and the winner gets a nice little side-job. And I get this off my desk, where it clearly does not belong. I'd guess that any undergrad or grad student would be perfectly capable of being orders of magnitude better at this than I.

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jim

Cool! :) Glad to hear it. :) That doesn't mean, you're not still learning tho right? ;)

Alvin in AZ

Oooo, I didn't call where you like to live a cesspool! :/

"kill files are for sissys" -alvin

-and f@#$ them sissy forums too. ;)

Maybe you aren't familiar enough with it, but your post looks like the typical homework assignment we get here. :/ No offense but I ain't backin up on that one. ;)

I'm self-taught in metallurgy so I'm especially sensitive (maybe even too defensive?) about it. :/

Consult a metallurgist or you'll end up with a friggin heap of scrap. The worst case senario is, of course, a law suit. :(

Hire one and hope for the best? :)

Hope in one hand and sPit in the other and see which one fills up first? :)

Alvin in AZ

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alvinj

From the dimensions you gave you would seem to want a very strong material which is why I directed you to the top hardness martensitic / precipitation hardened type alloys. The sorts of strength / hardness implied from your dimensions are all carefully heat treated and surface finished. What yield strength do you want?

Reply to
David Deuchar

not likely, like I said you're on the right track

Reply to
Bob K 207

Why make a meal of this topic. Use a piece of spring steel such as is used for vehicle springs.

Bob

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Bob Redfern

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David Deuchar

Yep, it's the same stuff he named off already too-> "low alloy medium carbon steels". :)

Alvin in AZ

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alvinj

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