13x40 Harbor Freight

The reason I didn't mention it is because it's not true. Yes, they do sell reconditioned brand-name tools. No, that is not all they sell. I've bought some brand-new, not reconditioned, brand-name tools from Harbor Freight.

By the way, the last time I was in HF, I saw an entire hanging aisle display of Estwing hammers. How many of those do you think were reconditioned?

Look, if some of you guys never want to shop at Harbor Freight, that's fine by me. But don't spread falsehoods about them.

- Michael

BULL SH&*. The HF in New Hartford as well as the one in Syracuse and Albany all sell DeWalt and Makita, Milwaukee and Estwing hammers. Plus Stanley tools and Many other Name Brand tools as well. And they are NOT repeat NOT seconds or refurbs.

If you feel so threatened by HF stores selling import items maybe you should wake up and look around you. Your vehicle is probably an import (GM,Ford,Dodge, all have plants in Canada or Mexico) Own an 'American Made" Harley... Better take off all the import parts, Rims, Electronics and now the engine in the V-Rod (Porche designed and produced the castings and internals), the forks. Own a TV, there are NONE made in the US.How about the computer you typed your message on....

"If it wasn't for Harbor Freight tools, I wouldn't have no tools at all..."

The quality of their stuff has improved dramatically in the last five years, in my opinion. My approach is to buy it there first, then if it turns out that I use the tool a lot, I will often upgrade it later. E.g.., I bought their 1/2" impact wrench, then bought an Ingersoll Rand later on. Likewise, I started with an HF portable air compressor and then upgraded to a big 220v Campbell-Hausfeld. And to your point, in each case, I bought both tools at the HF store...

I really enjoy my compact bender, ring roller, blast cabinet, floor jack, and horizontal bandsaw. To buy the domestic, name brand equivalents would have been at least three times the cost. I know there are people out there who are blessed with tool budgets three times what I can spend, but I would rather buy steel...

When I win the Lotto I'll buy nothing but the best...but until then, HF has been my main supplier, EBay has been my second choice, and Home Depot and Lowes are tied for third...

Just my opinion...

In the 40's ? - How about the 60's! and early 70's. Not until computers and calculators were able and willing to go above a slide rule ability.

We always did approximations and had some basic rules that allowed truncation or adding another variable ...

Martin [ who was in the workplace for several years when he bought a $600 4 banger with memory, 12 digits and up to 4 of them below the decimal. I did log and trig by approximation routines. Some of which came out in EDN or Electronics during the time.

Then TI and HP began to make calculators.

Martin

Based on my experience with a HF 12x36 gearhead I bought two years ago, I would certainly give serious consideration to their 13x40. Of course, I only run mine about 10 hours per week....

-jc-

Who was that? Thesis title?

during the time.

Anyone remember the mechanical calculators made by Singer Sewing Machine Company. If you divided by zero, the only way to stop them was to unplug them.

On Tue, 10 May 2005 01:10:46 -0500, Richard J Kinch wrote:

Insect aerodynamics: Flipping and flapping for flight forces, presented by Michael Dickinson, of the Dickinson Lab, in the Department of Integrative Biology at UC Berkeley. Abstract: An engineer once proved that a bumblebee cannot fly. The difficulty for this anonymous individual (and many other researchers throughout the past century) was that the application of conventional aerodynamic theory to the wing motion of insects predicted forces that are much too low to keep an animal aloft. The failure of conventional steady-state theory has fueled the search for unsteady mechanisms that might account for the elevated performance of insect wings. In order to facilitate this search, we constructed a large dynamically scaled model of a flapping fruit fly. Direct measurement of the forces and flows produced by a flapping wing suggests that the aerodynamics of insect flight may be explained by the interaction of three distinct, yet interactive mechanisms: delayed stall, rotational circulation, and wake capture. While delayed stall is a translational mechanism, rotational circulation and wake capture depend explicitly on the rapid rotation of the wings during stroke reversal. The regulation of rotational phase provides insects with a potent means of controlling flight forces during steering maneuvers. A general theory of insect aerodynamics that incorporates both translational and rotational mechanisms shows promise in explaining the force generating mechanisms of many species as well providing insight for the design of biomimetic robots"

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

- John Stewart Mill

I have NOTHING against 'foreign made' products, personally, stuff made in the USA is either WAY too expensive, or not better than the Chinese stuff, and as far as where my money ends up.... I agree, Fords are made out the U.S. and Hondas IN COUNTRY..

I buy the best tool I can afford for the price. I think HF's biggest problem is one of image... they blend the quality products in amongst the CRAP at a ratio I'd put at 20% quality to 80% crap.

My point about HF is that in the Two local stores in the Seattle area, I've NEVER seen a name-brand tool that isn't 'reconditioned' from the factory.... NEVER. Sometimes it's hard to find the disclaimer... but it's always there someplace. If your local store carries BRAND NEW, PERFECT CONDITION, NEVER-USED electric handtools at a better price than other stores, I'd love to come by and shop there... :-)

James, Seattle

Eh? That's just a talk citing the legend (and by a biologist sniffing at an engineer, no less).

LOL, I think HF's biggest problem is that their business is growing like gangbusters as more and more individuals and businesses find that good enough at a super cheap price often makes more sense than really great at a high price.

John

Yes. Singer/Friden. I think they were made in San Leandro, California.

I bought a six pound steel anvil at Harbor Freight just yesterday. Of, course, the large letters on the box read "made in China". These same words appear in large raised letters on the anvil itself. I'm going to use it as a glue press, to patch the seat of my pants!

:-)

Mike Mandaville