Never used one. I generally don't move much once set up, so there isn't much dragging anyway. The big advantage of an air nailer for me is no smiles in awkward-to-nail places. My thumbs feel better after, too. ;-)
Sure, but I've seen even ring-shank nails pop. Stainless screws are the only way to fly.
Saving time isn't high on my list. ;-) Saving aggravation later, is.
Driver bits are pretty standard these days. A new drill will usually work, too. ;-)
If you are not in good physical shape, two batteries might be more than enough. ;-)
Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
What's that Lassie? You say that Doug Miller fell down the old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue by Sun, 23 May 2010 03:26:39 GMT:
Send them out to primecell.com and have them re-celled. Better than new, and at less cost.
My response to that is in many cases the batteries last longer than the human.
For indoor flooring double-upping a screw gun made for the job while standing up is in order. I have done rooms with battery drills and it's rough on the back, knees and wrists. Due the the inaccuracy of screw placement the above device is typically not usable.
Use the excuse to get a second battery drill, use both (four batteries) and wear the old one out. It may be good for the old ni-cad to get a good cycling too.
Apparently, others' experience may be different, and, if so, I will retract my comment about cordless drills.
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Most pro framers, I have seen do not use compressed air, they swing a hammer. Try carrying a nailgun up into a framed roof rafter assembly while hanging on to the last truss member you hammered in to get at the next piece. A hammer and puch full of nails makes an easier climb and the nials are removable for a few eeks until they rust or set into the wood.
For 15 years?
Dragging an air hose beats swinging a hammer, though.
Maybe the USanians have standardized on Roberts head sizes, since the patent timed out?...LOL
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I see the Cadillac way of making a deck...
- Autofeed stand up Screw gun
- collated 316 (!) stainless steel deck screw$$$
-Bluwood (tm) treated wood
Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
Dewalt 18XRP is the drill that I have, I love it and use it a lot. I have two batteries for it, but for continuous use I get out my electric drill.
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Agreed. Air tools have their place but building a deck is not necessarily one of them. I wouldn't use my air drill to build a deck.
Sure you can. Why do you say that?
Agreed - wrong tool for the job.
VSR drill (corded) is certainly a great choice. A decent cordless with 2 batteries is another good choice.
No kidding - just hold the tool so that your hand is near the exhaust port - a quick way to realize how cold expanding compressed air can really get...
For continuous work, I keep one of my batteries in the charger, while I'm using the other one. I've never had my cordless fail me for the type of work we've been speaking of.
It's a mix. The hammer still has its place but to say that most pro framers aren't using nailers is, well... bull. You need to look more closely.
On Sun, 23 May 2010 11:52:32 -0500, -MIKE- wrote the following:
Bbbbbut, he was using stainless steel nails. Who knows why it wasn't working for him?
-- Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
No kidding. You heard almost nothing but air nailers around here, before the housing bubble burst. Both conventional homes, and at all the mobile home factories before they shut down.
On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:53:03 -0500, -MIKE- wrote the following:
True.
Yeah, but there go your costs again, with collated nails and fuel, plus the not cheap cost of the nailer.
Sure it is, and it's cheaper that way. But nails pull out during freeze/thaw cycles, creak, and develop nasty hammer dents in the wood as you seat them over and over and over and over...
2-3? Ya wuss. Yer 'posa set and home with _1_ stroke each. ;) (No, I can't do that, but I use screws almost universally. I bought a framing gun 4 years ago and have used it once, but it's time for that spare shop soon, methinks.)-- Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
It definitely varies from crew to crew.
Many of the newbies are given nailers and the cordless ones are getting popular. I framed my house with a nailer and barbed nails. that was a mistake when changes need to be made though. Other jobs I have been in, almost all the seasoned framers used hammers as the climbing was a pain with a nailer and the hammer was faster, overall. For sheeting a nailer was used almost exclusively but not for structural lumber.
Josepi wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:06:31 -0500, Ignoramus32683 wrote the following:
My 14.4v Bosch Impactor runs about 150 screws in half an hour before the nicad dies and I swap 'em out. By the time that one's dead, the first is charged and waiting for me. By the time that's done, I am, too. ;)
The new lithium batteries, like the Makita 3Ah jobbers, are good for about twice what I was getting.
-- Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
On Sun, 23 May 2010 21:09:21 -0400, "Mike Marlow" wrote the following:
He must have based it on a Crapsman 7.2v oldie, eh? I can run a 3-1/2" #10 deck screw into a stack of PT tubafores with only my thumb and little finger directing the Impactor. Try that with a regular cordless drill. (That's with a new pozi drive bit or a new or used square bit.)
Agreed, wrong tool for the job. Disagree re: torque. My Chicago Pneumatic will run a 1/2" bit clean through 1" steel plate, but you'd better be hanging onto it with both hands when you try. It thinks it's a Hole Hawg. ;)
-- Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
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