(PDT) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Yeah. But the original program was an R&D shop and cover for
military applications (satellites).
It was also before the Entitlement Mentality set in, which even
NASA succumbed to. "Cost plus" contracts to companies in the various
important congressional districts.
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
No, NASA was formed from NACA (National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics)
specifically to get to the moon...
"An Act to provide for research into the problems of flight within and outside
the Earth's atmosphere, and for other purposes." With this simple preamble, the
Congress and the President of the United States created the national Aeronautics
and Space Administration (NASA) on October 1, 1958. NASA's birth was directly
related to the pressures of national defense. After World War II, the United
States and the Soviet Union were engaged in the Cold War, a broad contest over
the ideologies and allegiances of the nonaligned nations. During this period,
space exploration emerged as a major area of contest and became known as the
During the late 1940s, the Department of Defense pursued research and rocketry
and upper atmospheric sciences as a means of assuring American leadership in
technology. A major step forward came when President Dwight D. Eisenhower
approved a plan to orbit a scientific satellite as part of the International
Geophysical Year (IGY) for the period, July 1, 1957 to December 31, 1958, a
cooperative effort to gather scientific data about the Earth. The Soviet Union
quickly followed suit, announcing plans to orbit its own satellite.
The Naval Research Laboratory's Project Vanguard was chosen on 9 September 1955
to support the IGY effort, largely because it did not interfere with
high-priority ballistic missile development programs. It used the non-military
Viking rocket as its basis while an Army proposal to use the Redstone ballistic
missile as the launch vehicle waited in the wings. Project Vanguard enjoyed
exceptional publicity throughout the second half of 1955, and all of 1956, but
the technological demands upon the program were too great and the funding levels
too small to ensure success.
A full-scale crisis resulted on October 4, 1957 when the Soviets launched
Sputnik 1, the world's first artificial satellite as its IGY entry. This had a
"Pearl Harbor" effect on American public opinion, creating an illusion of a
technological gap and provided the impetus for increased spending for aerospace
endeavors, technical and scientific educational programs, and the chartering of
new federal agencies to manage air and space research and development.
More immediately, the United States launched its first Earth satellite on
January 31, 1958, when Explorer 1 documented the existence of radiation zones
encircling the Earth. Shaped by the Earth's magnetic field, what came to be
called the Van Allen Radiation Belt, these zones partially dictate the
electrical charges in the atmosphere and the solar radiation that reaches Earth.
The U.S. also began a series of scientific missions to the Moon and planets in
the latter 1950s and early 1960s.
A) If Stormin hadn't posted that, he wouldn't have had the opportunity
to use cool words like "Ruskies" and "Chicoms."
B) It wouldn't surprise me to learn that some of our weapons include
boards made in China as part of the COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf)
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
The penalties for exporting US space technology (and other stuff on
the USML) without a license are pretty extreme. It's a bonanza for
European and Asian companies, though, who would otherwise have FAR
less market share than they are now achieving. There are still
safeguards, of course, but not as extreme as ITAR. Compliance is the
only option, of course, but the system is arguably broken.
"Failure to comply with ITAR can result in civil fines as high as
$500,000 per violation, while criminal penalties include fines of up
to $1,000,000 and 10 years imprisonment per violation. Under EAR,
maximum civil fines can reach $250,000 per violation, while criminal
penalties can be as high as $1,000,000 and 20 years imprisonment per
-- sp (D.O. for a corporation)
That is why our former White Water president gave the
guidance system from our missiles to the Chinese.
His dictionary defines that as Treason-NOT.
Bubba. Not again.
On 7/13/2011 8:43 AM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
What if the Russians decide they won't carry us up there anymore? On the high
abandoned vesicle can be claimed, using an extention of sea law, they might just
space station away from us.
Burt Rutan, please hurry, we need you.
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
spacex ( http://www.spacex.com ) is more-or-less right down the street
from KSC and has a NASA contract to develop astronaut transport
capabilities. They expect to be in full operation in three years and
at half the cost we are currently paying Russia to ferry our guys to
NASA is concentrating on bigger things, and they believe that the LEO
stuff should be left to the private sector. I watched the last launch
on NASA TV, which had extensive coverage of the astronauts boarding
the shuttle and getting hooked up and squared away. I was a bit
surprised that out of the seven members of the closeout crew, only two
were NASA employees and the others were contractors.
It's certainly time to privatize space travel. It makes sense for
government to pioneer it -- particularly in that the biggest reason for
the Apollo program was to generate the Best Damn Propaganda Ever. But
now that it can be done, I think private industry will find the best
balance of risk, money, etc.
Unless it's just private industry latching onto the government tit, for
even more inefficiency and bigger payoffs to the suits -- hopefully
there'll end up to be at least two providers, and even more hopefully
those providers will be doing launches independent of NASA for
commercial satellites &c.
Spacex has been completely coopted.
They also aren't putting the "private industry is more efficient" model on
When asked to price their replacement for the latest Delta, Spacex were more
than a third more expensive and their credibility rating was exactly zero in
terms of performance.
Not only that, they are sorely lacking in the ten thousand man years of
experience and intellectual property that the real space industry has.
Anyone that's seen the film of Spacex HLV hardware will tell you that the
damned thing nearly ground loops off the pad.
Think about a snap roll and that's without a load.
The feature that lowers costs will also just destroy whatever payload they
stick on the pointy end.
Putting a billion dollar assembly on the end of thier stuff isn't insurable
A man rated vehicle from these guys is laughable.
The big competitors today aren't private, unless you consider Japan, Spain,
India and Russia "private".
JPL is on the frontier in terms of science and exploration.
Far from "honoring" the current crop of astronauts, they ought to spend the
entire duration of thier lives thanking the American public for spending
billions of dollars to satisfy their personal wet dreams.
That's what scares me: Did Hanson and cronies just get a raise?
They're worse than OSHA, if you can believe that.
Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because we
make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable, when we
fail to take risks or seize opportunities.
-- Susan Rice
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