need to buy a new meter

I need a new meter for my toolbox - I've done some looking and I haven't yet found something that fits everything on my wish list and I'm wondering whether you guys have any suggestions. Here's some of what I'm looking for (in no particular order):
PHYSICALLY RUGGED TRUE RMS SELECTABLE LOW IMPEDANCE (hides "ghost" voltages) CLAMP FOR CURRENT LEADS FOR CURRENT (all the clamp meters I've seen lack regular current measuring capabilities. This is a problem when servicing 4-20 ma circuits and the like. FREQUENCY MEASUREMENT for VFDs
All that and just a generally good meter for field service.
Thanks.
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On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:57:44 AM UTC-5, rangerssuck wrote:

Check out AvE on YouTube, he tests many different meters.
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No meter I own fills all those requirements.
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:57:03 -0400

Me either, closest would be my old Fluke 87 and the Y8100 Current Probe accessory for it.
Nowadays I would get a digital AC/DC clamp on for current, use the Fluke 87 for ma current and look at getting an Oscilloscope meter for revealing "ghost signals". More than once in my career a look at that funky VOM reading that didn't make any sense with a scope saved the day.
There are some really nifty meters available today, glad I don't have to choose a new one ;-)
Would also like an in-circuit static capacitance meter. Mostly for finding bad electrolytics without having to take them out first. I still have my old B&K Capacitance meter and it still works fine. But being able to possibly identify bad caps in-circuit would be helpful...
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:57:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"

What? Not even the HF freebie? Oh, no clamp.
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I have perhaps a dozen HFs and 6 good DVMs with computer interfaces for datalogging, a UT210E AC/DC clamp-on that resolves to 1mA, 4 Flukes and a Keithley, plus AC and AC/DC external clamp probes. No single one of them meets all those requirements, especially clamp + leads, although combinations do. I also have a good collection of analog multimeters and clamp-ons that can be left in place long-term, so that for instance I don't move the fridge plug from the wall outlet to the backup source while it's running.
To extend the list I have a 1GSa HP storage scope, an HP RF spectrum analyzer and the tracking generator that makes it a scalar network analyzer, plus power supplies, signal generators, counters, cap meters etc. I was one of the people who built proof-of-concept models for space projects at home.
I did industrial field service in the 1970's and appreciate the demands, but since then I've been in a lab and don't have to carry everything I need like a primitive nomad or a soldier. -jsw
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:43:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"

Cool.

Ooh, nice setup.

Here's a tough field tech job vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbKYq0G9nU

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On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 10:57:44 AM UTC-4, rangerssuck wrote:

yet found something that fits everything on my wish list and I'm wondering whether you guys have any suggestions. Here's some of what I'm looking for (in no particular order):

asuring capabilities. This is a problem when servicing 4-20 ma circuits and the like.

Oh, I've got plenty of meters including four Fluke 8840As, three clamp mete rs, a logic analyzer and a couple of mixed signal scopes, but none that sui t the needs of field work. My career path has taken a turn opposite to your s (and many others). After 30-odd years in an office and at a bench designi ng products and at the age where many retire, I've finally figured out what I want to be when I grow up. I really enjoy the hell out of fixing up tire d old machinery and putting in new controls to get a lot more life and use out of them.
If you recall a year or so ago I was tackling the ageing refrigeration at a n ice skating rink. I fixed about a million refrigerant leaks, installed a bunch of new sensors, replaced pretty much every wire in the machine and in stalled a modern controller (of my own design - I had used these in the pas t and have boards in stock). The thing is now purring like a (very loud) ki tten and running perfectly. What started out as a planned $2 million replac ement estimate (from the City Engineer) became more like a $50 thousand fix .
A bonus is that I picked up (on ebay) a spare pair of compressors and motor s, identical to the ones in this system for a whopping $5,500 delivered. A pretty good deal considering that a single oil pump (which I needed) is $8, 500 from York.
A second bonus is that I got myself EPA 608 certified, which must be good f or something, though even before I got the license I took delivery of 5000 pounds of R22 and nobody asked to see any papers.
But what's missing is an all-in-one meter. Do the manufacturers really thin k that you do either big currents or small currents but not both? Sheesh.
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I like having two meters for insurance against dropping or frying one, and to measure both voltage and current simultaneously, like the voltage droop during a starting surge. While I don't recommend them for field service reliability my UT210E clamp-on is a good size to hold and slip into a shirt pocket, and the 4-1/2 digit UT61E is stable on a flat surface. -jsw
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 06:27:46 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck

Do you have a 1/8" drill bit and a 1/2 inch bit? How about a brad point and a carbaloy? What about a 16 oz hammer and a 5 lb sledge? Do you have boh a #1 philips screw driver and a #3?
It's called having the right tool for the job - and it is very seldom one tool will be ideal for several different function. Nothing wrong with carrying 2 meters in you toolbox!!!
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On 7/25/2018 7:57 AM, rangerssuck wrote: > I need a new meter for my toolbox - I've done some looking and I haven't yet found something that fits everything on my wish list and I'm wondering whether you guys have any suggestions. Here's some of what I'm looking for (in no particular order): > > PHYSICALLY RUGGED > TRUE RMS > SELECTABLE LOW IMPEDANCE (hides "ghost" voltages) > CLAMP FOR CURRENT > LEADS FOR CURRENT (all the clamp meters I've seen lack regular current measuring capabilities. This is a problem when servicing 4-20 ma circuits and the like. > FREQUENCY MEASUREMENT for VFDs > > All that and just a generally good meter for field service. > > Thanks. >
My favorite general purpose meter was a Radio Shack with a serial port for logging data samples over time. It worked exceptionally well at proving inconsistent power supply issues from the mains. It wasn't bad for general trouble shooting either. It didn't do everything you want, but I'm not sure I ever had a meter that did. The most sensitive meter I ever used was an analog Triplets I was issued when I worked for Arizona telephone. Once I got a feel for it I could guess distance to fault almost as accurately as the call box in the central office. That is on an 18 mile span it would get me within a mile on the first guess usually. Then split the line and go from there.
I don't think I have a good meter anymore. Just a bunch of cheap ones all over the shop and one in each of my vehicles. I have a separate Amprobe I use for clip on applications.
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The old RS 22-805 has a rare 20A (for 30 Sec) current range and the interface data format is numerical instead of the active LCD segment like later models, although that isn't hard to hash back to digits.
The relative Ohms function of my UT61E can distinguish between equal lengths of 12AWG and 14AWG wire. When I added panels to my solar system I measured the gauge of sections of old wiring by shorting the far end, forcing 10A and recording the voltage drop. Then I tried the UT61E and got substantially the same results, often to 0.01 Ohm.
The designer's intent was better than his implementation, notably in the excessive burden voltage on the current ranges. I think the Peak function measures motor inrush correctly with a clamp-on probe but it's hard (and dangerous) to independently confirm with high current shunts and resistors. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/8642
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