Plumbing pitch puzzle

Apr 23, 2025 Last reply: 1 year ago 9 Replies

I'm trying to revive an old airless paint sprayer (Wagner W500) and made decent progress until I met the fitting on the paint reservoir.



The male thread OD appears to be close to 0.850" with a pitch of 0.125 though it's a German product so likely not made to Imperial measurements. The male fitting ends in something resembling a slender male flare. But, the threads are too coarse for any flare I've ever seen.



The reservoir is plastic molded around a female brass insert. The plastic has cracked radially, allowing paint to leak around the periphery of the brass insert. There's no easy way to seal the cracks and they'll likely keep growing anyway. A new reservoir is hard to find and expensive, $100-$200 depending on where I look, with lots of "out of stock" notes. There don't seem to be any aftermarket suction hose kits, as this pump is top-inlet and the modern types are all bottom-inlet.



Does anybody recognize those dimensions as any standard fitting type? I _think_ the path of least resistance will be to fabricate a suction pickup hose. If there do exist "standard" fittings of this type that seems the place to start. If the threads are orphans I could try to fabricate something cobbled up using the brass insert as a foundation.



Thanks for reading, I think mentioning "brass" makes this an on-topic post 8-)



bob prohaska



Is this two page parts pdf your machine? If so pass on the part number and page you're talking about. Would help to visualize the part...

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Maybe #11 on page 2?

Yes on all counts. I've put a photo at

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the oddest thing is the rounded thread profile, almost like a Whitworth pattern.

Wagner claims to have the reservoir in stock for $135, but I'd like to see how the sprayer behaves using a pickup tube. The bore of the fitting is 13 mm, so a half inch tube will fit inside, an o-ring over the tube can form a gland seal if I convert the brass insert into a compression nut.

Thanks for writing,

bob prohaska

There is a standard thread that looks like that listed in Machinery's Handbook. Something like Dardelet.

Joe

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Those look like threads I've seen used with plastic fittings...

I'd be tempted to find a hose with a tight fit pushed on over that thread. Maybe put an o-ring on the portion before where the thread starts. Use a radiator clamp on the hose to seal it. A tie-wrap might even work. Should be good enough for testing. It's not going to be sucking that hard and you could always place the paint container higher than the intake. It would tend to siphon the paint into the pump then too...

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Wiki has a page for:

"Knuckle threads or round threads are an unusual highly rounded thread form. The large space between the rounded crests and roots provides space for debris to be shifted to not interfere with the thread, making this form resistant to debris and thread damage."

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With a high tolerance for debris in the threads their use in this paint application would make a lot of sense...

I think that's probably it. German standard, too 8-)

Looks like there's a "Wagner Tooling Systems" company too, though I can't discern any direct connection to Wagner painting equipment.

Unfortunately, I don't find any source of small fittings based on the thread. McMaster-Carr sells leadscrews and nuts, but that's it.

Thanks for writing!

bob prohaska

I think that's probably it. German standard, too 8-)

Looks like there's a "Wagner Tooling Systems" company too, though I can't discern any direct connection to Wagner painting equipment.

Unfortunately, I don't find any source of small fittings based on the thread. McMaster-Carr sells leadscrews and nuts, but that's it.

Thanks for writing!

bob prohaska

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DIN 405-2 is it. Lots of German sources.

There is no US equivalent. But 405 uses 8 and 10 threads per inch.

Dardelet is unrelated, and older copies of Machinery's Handbook don't cover knuckle threads.

Joe

"Gewinde" is German for thread.

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