Eighth-inch pipe thread puzzle

Did the standard size for one-eighth NPT threads change at some point in the past half century or so? I find myself with a few fittings that don't seem to agree with one another.

In one group there's a fairly modern vibratory pump made in Italy, stainless steel street tee from Cajon, some brand new fittings bought from Ace hardware and a very small pressure gauge that might be a century old.

In the other (too big) group are a tubing adapter from an icemaker hookup kit, a generic hose barb of unknown origin and a hex plug.

All the male threads are visibly tapered, including those that came with the pump, so it's not likely an NPS-NPT mixup. The mismatch is small, maybe .002" at the big end and .006" at the start. That rather implies a different taper, but AFAIK all pipe threads were tapered 3/4" per foot.

Thanks for reading!

bob prohaska

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Did the standard size for one-eighth NPT threads change at some point in the past half century or so? I find myself with a few fittings that don't seem to agree with one another.

In one group there's a fairly modern vibratory pump made in Italy, stainless steel street tee from Cajon, some brand new fittings bought from Ace hardware and a very small pressure gauge that might be a century old.

In the other (too big) group are a tubing adapter from an icemaker hookup kit, a generic hose barb of unknown origin and a hex plug.

All the male threads are visibly tapered, including those that came with the pump, so it's not likely an NPS-NPT mixup. The mismatch is small, maybe .002" at the big end and .006" at the start. That rather implies a different taper, but AFAIK all pipe threads were tapered 3/4" per foot.

Thanks for reading!

bob prohaska

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There are two series of British pipe taps. The letters R and G are -German- for Rohr (pipe) and Gas.
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To add to the confusion, BPT may mean Briggs Pipe Thread, which is the American predecessor to NPT.

The nominal inch size refers to the original ID of wrought iron pipe. Modern steel pipe has thinner walls and thus a larger ID, though stronger Schedule

80 pipe is close to the original ID. If you need to chuck a pipe fitting in the lathe the threads on a brass nipple will run truer.

EMT conduit has the same ID as Sch 40 pipe and chain link fence tubing the same OD, though its nominal sizes are the actual OD rounded to the nearest fraction. Depending on the gauge of the fence tubing the two may telescope together, I used 1" conduit with a 22 gauge shim to splice a break in my TV antenna mast which is 1-3/8" (1.315") fence top rail, the same size as TV mast tubing but much cheaper and easier to find.

I assembled a cone of pipe reducing bushings up to 2", with the inner and outer NPT sizes labeled, to identify unknown threads. hth, jsw

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Jim Wilkins

Aye, there's the rub...It looks like the inlet fitting on my pump is probably BPT, while NPT fittings work ok on the discharge. Why they (Fluid-O-Tech, an Italian company) would mix fittings eludes me. Even better, it's part of an espresso machine made in Switzerland 8-)

The difference between 27 and 28 TPI is not readily visible and I wasn't expecting it at all. IT does nicely explain why an NPT fitting hangs up in half a turn. Hope I didn't damage the threads too badly...

It did indeed, thank you!

bob prohaska

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bob prohaska

Jim Wilkins snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote: ...

The difference between 27 and 28 TPI is not readily visible and I wasn't expecting it at all. IT does nicely explain why an NPT fitting hangs up in half a turn. Hope I didn't damage the threads too badly...

bob prohaska

------------------ Amazon has BSPT to NPT adapters.

Do you have a lathe? When I need an odd fitting I may buy a standard one that is correct on one side and has enough metal to cut down on the other side. For example I've threaded a garden hose repair end to turn a trash can into a rain barrel.

Polymer clay (uncured PVC resin) can be forced into an opening and then heated to harden it, to measure a diameter or thread pitch.

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