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RANT (yes metal working related in more ways than one)

Me: As you can see in the 3D model this is the only position in which these parts fit. If you consider a different part here with a different anchor shape you may have greater ease of use and better fit-up. In addition we will have greater flexibility in our final positions so that a greater range of other components will fit up and look good.

Them: Okay do whatever you need to do, but move those pieces in opposite directions (so they coincide in space and time), and make it fit multiple different parts so I can swap on the fly and it needs to look great.

Me: If you do it that way your components will interfere with each other, and if you force it you will have spring back in the wrong position for some components. May I suggest an alternative component that will not adversely impact appearance or performance in anyway, and will allow for a better over all quality of casting and ease of use.

Them: Well, this component works just fine in other molds. We are using this one.

Me: Okay, but I need you to acknowledge that you may have the issues I talked about along with flashing,and less than aesthetically appealing component location, and spring back in the final castings and that I advised you of these possibilities. I need you to say you are okay with that.

Then: Here is a picture of somebody else's product showing what I want.

Me: If you look at your picture it has ever single issue I brought up.

Them: Well IF you can make it perfect I want you to make it with every criteria I gave you...

Me: FRACK!!!

God has granted me a fair number of abilities. One of those is the capacity to learn new things which has served me well. For this I am very thankful. The capacity to violate the commonly accepted working laws of physics is not among those abilities.

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Bob La Londe
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I once had an architect (female ...) that just couldn't understand that I couldn't hang a panel on thin air ... This was part of a display column/register station in the center of a sales kiosk in a major Memphis mall .

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Snag

This was after he said, "can't we just rotate it so the hook/anchor is off to one side?"

This was the simpler demo.

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I'm about ready to refund his money and write off the time (quite a bit) spent explaining the basic conundrum that two physical parts can't occupy the same space at the same time.

This is not a home hack guy just making a few jigs in his garage. This is somebody with a real tackle making business who has tried to impress me that he is doing work for guys in Major League Fishing, done a bit of name dropping, etc, etc, etc.

I even suggested an alternative part that doesn't have the glaringly obvious (I guess not so obvious) problem.

I am thankful he only went for one mold instead of the multiples he tried to use to negotiate, but I am even more thankful it says in every email that quotes are only good for ten days.

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Bob La Londe

I can very well see somebody saying you had to hang a panel in mid-air and believe it.

Maybe you could have pulled the hidden/broken coat rack trick. It looks suspended in mid air as long as you have leave your coat hanging on the hook. Just leave your coat hanging on the panel.

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Bob La Londe

Obviously someone that cannot visualize things in 3 dimensions . Probably can't find his ass with both hands and a map .

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Snag

Or mathematics? I have a photographer friend who took someone's wedding photos using 2"x2" film/negatives. Some months later, the client returned with one of the prints and asked for an 8x10 of the same photo. He explained that he could crop part of the photo (No, no! I want the whole photo!) or black bars above and/or below (No, no, no! Just exactly like this one but 8x10!). She finally went away believing he was an obstinate, arrogant nffubyr who simply refused to do what she wanted out of sheer cussedness.

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Mike Spencer

Wow! Yeah. Thank goodness I'm not in the photography business.

Just say no to vertical video. LOL.

The funny part is while I tried very hard to sound reasonable, friendly and collegial in my video clip I really felt like I was being insulting and condescending to the customer by making it. He thanked me and I can finally move on to the next step in the process. He is using the part I recommended at the very beginning.

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Bob La Londe

Or mathematics? I have a photographer friend who took someone's wedding photos using 2"x2" film/negatives. Some months later, the client returned with one of the prints and asked for an 8x10 of the same photo. He explained that he could crop part of the photo (No, no! I want the whole photo!) or black bars above and/or below (No, no, no! Just exactly like this one but 8x10!). She finally went away believing he was an obstinate, arrogant nffubyr who simply refused to do what she wanted out of sheer cussedness. Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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The classic rebuttal to a misconception was Feynman dunking an O-ring into his glass of ice water at the Challenger disaster hearing.

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Jim Wilkins

Grrr , I had a stake in that flight , I was on the crew that standardized the propellant components . That o-ring had been chilled by a nearby liquid hydrogen leak in addition to subfreezing temps . A good friend (and former coworker) was in the loop pre-launch . The Thiokol engineers told the politicians in charge that as sure as they lit that bird it was going to come down in a ball of flame . The o-ring material was so cold it could not obdurate and seal the gap . Instant 6,000° cutting torch . I was hanging a door for a customer when the news came in , I thought at first he was kidding when he said the shuttle just blew up ...

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Snag

"Snag" wrote in message news:tudi98$1k3b0$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me...

Grrr , I had a stake in that flight , I was on the crew that standardized the propellant components . That o-ring had been chilled by a nearby liquid hydrogen leak in addition to subfreezing temps . A good friend (and former coworker) was in the loop pre-launch . The Thiokol engineers told the politicians in charge that as sure as they lit that bird it was going to come down in a ball of flame . The o-ring material was so cold it could not obdurate and seal the gap . Instant 6,000° cutting torch . I was hanging a door for a customer when the news came in , I thought at first he was kidding when he said the shuttle just blew up ...

Snag

------------------ I was watching on live TV.

Thus is the hole burned through the side of the booster rocket:

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This shows a leak at lift-off:
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Many previous flights had survived partial O-ring leaks.

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Jim Wilkins

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