I have the opportunity to purchase a 3 year old Lincoln Ranger 8
welder/generator with 600 hours. Apparently, the unit worked well for
3 years. However, while powering a refrigerator and some lamps, it
ran out of gas. When it was filled up and re-started, there was no
power output. (I ASSUME it was started under load.)
I have not actually seen or tested the unit but I'm wondering if
anyone has any comments about the possible problem and a ballpark
figure on the cost to repair.
I realize that this is VERY sketchy information but that's all I have.
(Please - no smart ass responses.)
No output could be all sorts of things from a popped breaker on the
panel (free to fix!!) to a blown diode in the excite circuit (cheap) to
burned windings (don't go there!) Nothing really to say until you get to
look at the unit and test it out.
Manual is here:
Comprehensive manual, includes full wiring diagrams
This is a nice unit for small jobsite use. Not up to procuction work on
bridges or pipelines but certainly a good one for truck repair or
sitting in the back of the maintenaince truck.
If you aren't able to test it before you buy, I'd assume that you have
fried some major component, perhaps several hundred bucks to fix.
Discount the price down by at least that much and roll the dice. I did
the same on an Onan unit of somewhat simliar specs, when the engine spun
freely, I assumed a bad valve. I figured that there was only one thing
wrong with it, I could deal with a valve cheaply, might have to deal
with a bad rod. It had a stuck valve, took an hour to get it running
like a top. Thats when I found out about the scorched windings, $1700
for a new stator from Onan. Scrap heap time. Still using the stator as a
counter weight in my garage.
Chuck Jurgens wrote:
This machine has a three year warranty. I would check the manufacturing
date. If it happens to be just under three years old I would get it to a
Lincoln authorized shop and get it repaired under warranty. The
manufacturing date is encoded into the serial number. The first two
characters in the serial number, normally "U1" is the plant where the
machine was made. The next two are the year, "01" would be 2001, and the
next two are the month. I think the warranty may apply to the original
owner, but if the manufacturing date is within three years, you won't even
need to show a receipt to have it repaired.
If you have neither weld or auxilliary output, the problem is most likely in
the rotating field circuit. This circuit includes the rotor, brushes, bridge
rectifier, field capacitor, printed circuit board, control pot, etc. The
cost to repair this machine could range from free, if the problem were just
a bad connection, and you repair it yourself, to more than $1000.00 if a
rotor would need to be replaced.
Some thngs to think about....
The running out of gas might be a place to start. Check for blown/tripped
breakers-fuses.A burnt wire or corroded connection might cause this
condition as much as a malfunctioning switch. Get a good volt-ohmmeter and
get to work!
There is a tremendous voltage spike when a machine like this is stopped
under load. This spike can wipe out many discreet and non discreet
That machine is an alternator based unit. Check for open circuit voltage on
DC and AC. Should be in the 70+/- volt range. A manual will tell you what it
should be at what RPM. This should tell you if the rectifier is working-or
blocking output.(Spikes like to take out rectifiers) Even if welding output
is blocked by the rectifier, the AC weld power and aux 110 and 220 outlets
Athough the problem is rarely here in alternator machines, check the brushes
and slip rings. You never know.
Put your meter probes on the back (wire end) of the brush and on the slip
ring. There should be very little resistance.
If the slip rings are brown-do not clean with any abrasive, although a spray
of contact cleaner would not hurt. The brown is copper oxide and much more
conductive than even a new "shiny" surface.
Black, grooved or burned rings must be resurfaced with a commutator stone
(available from industrial outlets) or wood type sandpaper. Avoid all emery
based products as the emery tends to embed itself in the soft copper and
will wear your brushes out in no time.
If all wires, connections and switches work and no or very low welding power
or aux power-the fields may have to be "flashed". Not very complicated, but
must be done absolutely correctly, or your machine will be good nothing more
than boat anchor material!!
Flashing is a procedure to "recharge" the residual magnetism in the exciter
circuit. Kind of like priming a pump. This residual magnetism can deminish
with long periods of inactivity.
If you get that far, let me know. Email direct if possible.
Also let me know serial# or give me your specific electrical schematic
diagram. This is one time that the exact diagram is needed. A typical
diagram might work.Or it might not!
There is a diagram inside your machine. This is the one to use. It has a
number and can be emailed, faxed, etc after contacting Lincoln-check their
Buying a used welder is always a crapshoot. Always a "pig in a poke"
Engine drives are always the most risky, due to the inclement weather,
numerous parts required, vibration, etc.
My advice has always been, as far as any used equipment, is that if you
can't "steal it"-don't buy it.
Don't be afraid to insult the seller. Keep in mind a bad rotor or stator
(fields or armature) can cost 800-1200 to fix. Keep your risk to a minimum.
A bearing running out even 10 thousandths can make some engine drive
Any other questions-let me know. I'll guide you through this step by step,
Hope this helps a little
Yes, I'm back!!!!
replying to Brad King, jason wrote:
i have a ranger 9 that worked great about 2 years ago. it has bee inside my shop
and will start and run great but produces zero power to the welding leads or
outlets. the slip rings that the brushes are in contact with look kind of a dark
color, almod black. is cleaning those up a good place to start?
replying to Brad King, jason wrote:
i have a ranger 9 that worked great about 2 years ago. it has bee inside my
shop and will start and run great but produces zero power to the welding leads
or outlets. the slip rings that the brushes are in contact with look kind of a
dark color, almod black. is cleaning those up a good place to start?
Cleaning the brushes will not hurt but is probably not your problem.
And you did check all the fuses and breakers, right? If all that
checked out is there any chance that when you started the welder the
leads were touching each other? Was something plugged into one of the
outlets? In other words was the generator part of the welder
connected to a load of some kind? If so this could have caused the
generator to lose its small amount of magnetisation. In many
generators a small amount of magnetism is present in the rotor of the
generator. This small amount of magnetism is enough to start
generating current which then builds up to the point that the
generator will deliver full current and voltage. Sometimes a generator
started with a load on it will lose this small amount of
magnetisation. To restore it the generator needs to be "flashed".
Flashing the generator involves applying a low voltage, 12 volts for
example, to the windings. This then turns the windings into an
electromagnet which in turn slightly magnetizes the armature. The
polarity must be correct when doing this otherwise the welder
generator will put out the wrong voltage polarity, unless the output
is AC. Anyway, the above was just a long winded way of saying you
should look online for info about flashing your welder. If this is a
problem with your model of welder then there should be instructions
online telling you how to do it.
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