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Wednesday, October 2, 2013

Letter Re: Basic Mechanics Skill and Knowing Vehicular Limitations

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Jim, If I might add my two cents to Albert's comments on Basic Mechanics Skill and Knowing Vehicular Limitations : I was also inconvenienced with lug nuts being over-torqued. I bent the factory lug wrench in the process. My dear spouse would have never been able to loosen one, much less five lug nuts. So I vowed to never again be put in that position again. I made the assumption that the tire store torqued the lug nuts to factory specifications. They went far beyond that number. Apparently, many do.

My solution was far less high tech, EMP proof, and far less expensive: a24-Inch breaker bar with a 1/2" drive for each vehicle. Add the correct socket, and a six inch extension and you will /never /struggle with that aspect of a tire change again. Get one for each vehicle and make it a permanent part of that vehicle's tool kit. - John T.

Chris notes: Harbor Freight often has breaker bars, for ten bucks on sale. Add a black impact socket set, and you're good to go. I've used mine more than once. For myself, and for others.

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Stormin Mormon
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So far, my HF electric impact wrench has held up. It saved my bacon after I bought a new set of tires that were put on by King Kong. First thing I do when I get home is back the nuts off to a reasonable torque value.

Like everything else, test your stuff in the driveway on a nice, sunny day. I run alloy wheels from American Racing and the nuts are set in a well. An impact socket will not fit into the well, just a normal deep wall.

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rbowman

I do like my HF wrench. Some years ago, I had a truck with steel wheels. The idiot at a small town repair garage did it. The HF wouldn't budge, but the breaker bar did. Helps to be heavy. I should have phoned, and give him a piece of my mind. Or took the truck back and let HIM loosen.

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Stormin Mormon

Ive got (2) 110vt impact guns. They are IDENTICAL.

One is marked Harbor Freight...the other is marked Black and Decker Professional. One is orange bodied..the other is brown bodied. No other differences. I was pondering this and one lazy afternoon..pulled em part to lube and check out. Absolutely NO difference and even screws interchanged

Both work amazingly well. I recently pulled the tires on my motor home. C class Dodge Tradesman with 16.5 tires. Big lug nuts rusted on.

Neither gun had an issue pulling them off. I did some with Kroil..some I left along as a test. No issues with either other than the rusty ones took about a second longer to unscrew.

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

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Gunner Asch

With so much stuff made in China, that's totally believable. I'm sure there are other rebranded but identical items.

I've had other moments where impact gun would have been totally ideal. One time I stopped by a friend's house. He was doing something (can't remember what) to the front end of his GF's mini van. One nut was siezed on. I didn't have my impact with me, and I was three hours drive from home. I suggested heat, but he said it was too close to this or that. I'm sure I could have heated it safely. But, no. Two big wrenches, and broke the bolt. That wasn't one of his better moments. Impact wrench and some WD-40

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Stormin Mormon

Has anyone tried candle wax? I've heard some where, that you heat up the nut and light a candle. Drip the candle wax onto the threads as the nut cools. At some point (after it's finished making clouds of candle wax vapor) the wax soaks into the threads. The wax acts as lubricant, and the nut comes off easier. It seems believable, as wax is slippery.

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Stormin Mormon

You have to keep heating the nut after the was has been dripped on. Hand held heat gun works for this. Torch tends to ignite the wax.

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

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Gunner Asch

I'll admit, I've not tried this. But, thanks, I'll try it some day. I recently got a 12 gal compressor, a friend of mine found it at the recycling center, and brought it home. The switch is a bit undependable, but it does compress air.

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Stormin Mormon

Yep, works very well. You heat the nut up, either drip or rub the candle so it goes into the threads. Heat "behind" the wax and the heat will wick the paraffin into the threads. The heating method is the same way you sweat a solder joint together.

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Steve W.

I bought mine to pull the allen screws that hold the damper tubes. Not a lot of torque involved, but unless you can jam the damper tube they'll spin. Since then, I've used it on other projects and it's worked well.

As I've said before, I've had mixed success with HF and was really glad when they opened a store a couple of blocks from where I work so I could see thte stuff in the flesh before buying.

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rbowman

Wnen you need one, you need one. They used to be pricey so I did a lot of cursing, LiquidWrench, torches, breaker bars, 3/4 pipe, and so forth. China has put them in a price range that I can afford. Or I should say in a price range where I'll buy one for the odd job that comes up a couple of times a year.

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rbowman

Amazing, how many things have come way down in price. Digital wrist watches, etc. I remember in about 1978 I bought a digital watch, for about $25. Had to push the button to make the red LED light up. I'm not sure what that is, in 2013 dollars.

Now, LCD watches at Dollar Tree, functioning and with battery and all.

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Stormin Mormon

What...swinging a hammer on the impact driver doesnt ring your bell anymore, old timer?

(Grin)

I still use one occasionally on the job and keep one in the truck and have a half dozen or so out in the shop.

For those of you who dont know what they are..or havent seen one...

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(many other makes as well)

Anyone who ever owned a Honda or other bikes using Phillips head screws...knows all about these.....

Sometimes..nothing else will work.

And you can use a big rock, if you dont have a hammer on the side of the road

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

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Gunner Asch

The impact driver was my plausible excuse for carrying a hatchet.

Reply to
Jim Wilkins

Thumbs up!!

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

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Gunner Asch

The Eagle Alloy rims on my Ranger have deep wells for the nuts and with 4.5" bolt circle, the sockets and extensions had a habit of gouging both the rim and the center cap. I got a set of "tuner" spline-drive nuts. Problem solved

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clare

Hurts like a bugger when the rock splits in your hand though!!!!!

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clare

A friend of mine has them on his van but I'd never heard of them until he mentioned it. I'm not sure he even realized it but when he bought new rims and the guy at the tire store said it was good he already had the spline drives because the standard ones wouldn't work.

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rbowman

Despite liberal applications of Never-Seez, the #25 Torx screws on the primary chain inspection port were stubborn this summer. I dragged out the driver and beat on it for a while. I then decided the primary didn't really need adjusting, I could pour the new tranny oil in through the clutch derby, and I'd deal with them sometime in the future.

It's a no-name knockoff I picked up somewhere along the way and while the cap shows some serious hammer blows, to the best of my recollection it's never loosened one damn nut in the last 20 years.

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rbowman

That it certtainly does!

Btdt.

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

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Gunner Asch

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