Hi List, i need to make a drawtube for a 6mm clockmakers collet, th
thread is 5mm dia x .8 pitch. I have a Clarke 500 lathe and cannot fin
a change wheel combo which will give .8mm pitch, help, Dav
Hi Jason, thanks for the info, its an internal thread so is a littl
more compilcated but i will find a way, regards Dav
5mm x 0.8 is a common metric tap.
Not sure if you can trust a tap to cut concentric enough to be worth it for
a collet drawtube - but maybe you could make your tube oversize, tap it,
and finish it after; maybe find some way to mount a collet backwards in the
lathe chuck and screw the tube onto it for finishing.
I wonder - it could be important for it to be accurately central, but does
The thread only draws the collet into its hole (tm), so the force is
longitudinal, especially if the thread is a bit loose. Doesn't the hole keep
the collet straight?
Hmmm - collets with a land at the back to accurately fit the hole? Doesn't
R8 do that?
Just wondering - and I'd guess it would be easy to finish the collets when
screwed onto the drawbar anyway, if needed. Put the drawbar in a collet ...
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There is a link to a program which will calculate changewheel setups for
whatever pitch you want. It works very well and you should be able to
cut a very close approximation to 0.8mm pitch on the imperial machine,
without a 127 tooth gear.
Just checked and the closest would be 0.80211 I think with gears
20,50,45,57 (assuming they are part of the set. If you can get hold of a
suitable 127 tooth gear, of course, then an exact pitch would be
possible. No, sorry, I don't know where to get one.
I can't see what you gain by trying to screwcut it rather than tap it. If
you can hold the piece in the lathe which clearly you can to be able to
screwcut it then use a tapered 1st tap, put the tap in the tailstock chuck,
leave the tailstock unclamped and by pushing on that with one hand and
turning the headstock chuck with the other you start the tap dead central
and concentric and gradually work it into the job.
Once it's in a good few turns you can finish with a tap wrench and then go
through it one more time with a finishing tap if need be. You won't make a
thread any more accurately any other way. Just remember to turn a bit, back
off to break the chip and just go at it gradually like that.
No longer needed to back off with modern HSS taps.
This first came about when we were using carbon taps with old cutting geometry.
advent of HSS and new geometry backing off actually reduces the cutting tool
causes rough threads.
Plenty of research been done on this subject which has resulted in modern
don't need to back off.
Even seen a tapmatic tapping head that backs off in the cut to break the chip ?
Ever seen a CNC machining centre that doesn't push the tap thru in one go ?
The answer is good taps, correct cutting fluid and keep a positive feed on, push
don't let it try to pull through.
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